Talk:List of companies/Archive 1

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Old Geezer Draft beer

Did anyone notice when in Meet the Sniper when he flicks the bobblehead that the one next to it is Old geezer. Here's an image to prove it.

I want you to go back to that video, and tell me exactly where you see Old Geezer. -- Firestorm 02:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

right when he flicks the civilian bobblehead.the Old geezer bobblehead is right next to it in the picture. THE3STOOGES/HAMMERHEAD 02:13, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Go to the VIDEO, seriously, right now, watch it -- Firestorm 02:13, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

WTF!!!!!!!! Why isn't it there. THE3STOOGES/HAMMERHEAD 02

17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

It was never there, that image is just concept art -- Firestorm 02:19, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

oh it was replaced because they were afraid people wouldn;t get it. THE3STOOGES/HAMMERHEAD 02:19, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, and it blows my mind that you still don't know how to tab over your comments properly -- Firestorm 02:20, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Sarif Industries?

Should Sarif Industries be included in this list? You can find their logo in game, it's visible on the Heavy's Purity Fist, but I thought I should ask here before adding them to the list of companies, as they don't seem to have quite the same level of involvement as everyone else on this list to me. -Mr. Magoolachub 06:07, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

I think it falls under "Some companies have no properties, but appear on advertisement posters in-game or in promotional materials." Rolandius 06:18, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

I wouldn't list it here since the company has nothing to do with TF2 beyond appearing on that hat. You'll notice there's also no entry for Monday Night Combat, Aperture Science, or whatever company Ellis works for. -- - _{(talk | contribs)} -- 06:34, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

I guess promotional materials is TF2-only stuff. Rolandius 06:59, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

Spiral Knights

Does anyone remember if Mann Co.'s rival company was named in the Spiral Knights/Team Fortress 2 promotion? If so, that could be put here. Rolandius 06:22, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

This is a Wiki, why don't you look it up? » Cooper Kid (blether·contreebs) 15:04, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

Like I didn't already look at those? Sort of why I asked here if there was anything out there that named the company. Rolandius 19:04, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

Well if nothing about it was mentioned in those messages then I don't think it was mentioned. Alright :) 19:09, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

Newell and Sons

Could it reference to Gabe Newell, the founder of Valve and the TF2 team as the "sons"? DekoMan91 04:46, 2 September 2011 (PDT)

Not sure about the "sons" bit, but it's almost certainly a reference to Gabe Newell. » Cooper Kid (blether·contreebs) 06:31, 2 September 2011 (PDT)

Coop = Tecmo Koei?

The coop logo strongly resembles the Tecmo Koei logo so I'm going to go ahead and change it from "none". I'm just putting the reason behind the edit here. --Mattwo 20:09, 20 September 2011 (PDT)

This is incorrect. The logo is an actual real logo still used by some local grain cooperatives. It was the logo of the Double Circle Cooperative, which went defunct in 1985. But, it is still a common sight in rural America. The logo pre-dates Tecmo by over 40 years. Dzcomposer 11:24, 7 February 2012 (PST)

Captain Dan's army surplus

It may be a reference to the character of Captain Dan from Forrest Gump. I'm not sure, but it's the only prominent Captain Dan that I know of. Kane.malakos 20:49, 11 October 2011 (PDT)

Lieutenant Dan is in Forrest Gump, not Captain. SS2R 06:00, 30 October 2011 (PDT)

Resolution

Just to be clear (no pun intended), given the rather poor qualities of the logos (e.g. Telemax, Red Shed Beer, Blu Streak Beer) is it illegal to upload fan-made higher quality versions that follow the exact specifications of the original?

The quality of these pictures varies widely and does not lead to uniformity nor consistency (see the outlines of Red Shed Beer and Blu Streak Beer) within this wiki.

Are we truly stuck until Valve decides to release higher quality versions?

If this is true there needs to be a distinct warning to prevent budding,young graphic designers from uploading images that would go against such "purity". Upgrade 15:28, 8 February 2012 (PST)

Provision

That thing on the dispenser. I dont know why but it sounds familiar... Lucasthefourth ~Slash and burn!~ 05:22, 2 July 2012 (PDT)

Gray Gravel Co

After reading Shadow Boxers I think it's quite clear and obvious that Gray owns Gray's Gravel Co after the sign was shown in his base

--Engineer's Sentry 07:32, 30 December 2012 (PST)

Farmer's Elevator

The poster of "farmers elevator" is actually a real company. It is a grain elevator company that stores corn and soy beans KplKabbage (talk) 06:53, 9 April 2014 (PDT)

Yes, I agree, conditionally. Farmers is a generic name for a number of actual elevators, co-ops, banks, insurance companies, and retailers. There are several real retailers with the name Farmers Feed & Seed Co. or variations thereof (I know, I cold-called most of the ones could find numbers for to find out if they are a chain (they are not)).

Moreover, the green "hand shake"/"train coupling" is also a real icon, I know I have seen it in the 80's, and my farmer family (with a long history of founding cooperatives) recognizes it, but no one can remember the company's real name or where they saw it.

Another issue I have is the question of which TF2 maps these are on -- yes, I have not completely studied every map, but I don't think I've seen these in game. I would happily update the article if someone tells me what game map they are one. Mikado282 (talk) 04:01, 10 April 2014 (PDT)

I see... around where I live, there are plenty of grain elevators with that logo. One good example is "Farmer's Co-op Society." I actually deliver soybeans there sometimes. KplKabbage (talk) 07:21, 10 April 2014 (PDT)

Do me two favors then. Find one instance of it on an official TF2 map. And find one URL to a photo of the green handshake logo, I can't find one. Every pic I find for "Farmer's Co-op Society" has a completely unrelated logo. Thx. Mikado282 (talk) 18:35, 10 April 2014 (PDT)

Before we further embarrass ourselves ... A number of these cleaned up versions of real world signs were uploaded by one person in July 2010. The uploader says on his talk pages that they were his signs on earlier maps. I can’t find them on those maps, they might have been replaced by later updates (say by Australian Christmas 2011)? I’d ask him but his talk page hasn’t been active since early 2011. Mikado282 (talk) 20:41, 10 April 2014 (PDT)

Well, the town that I live in is a small town, so I don't think someone would take a picture of a grain elevator just for a logo... KplKabbage (talk) 09:38, 11 April 2014 (PDT)

"I don't think someone would take a picture of a grain elevator just for a logo" try googling that sometime, there are a lot of elevator logo pictures, try putting the following into the search:

the HOLDINgford miLL PIONEEr feeds Elevator Flickr

Don't sweat it. I've messaged the originator, who hasn't been active on tf2maps.net for a while. Some of these real world signs have probably never been published on a map, anyone knowing otherwise, chime in (I know some have been published). I got the impression from a couple tf2maps.net posts that using Farmer's Elevator was something of an in-joke. Mikado282 (talk) 19:16, 11 April 2014 (PDT)

I have been looking at multiple grain elevators in a bunch of small towns, and i noticed that a vast majority have them, yet like you said, it could be a gag. KplKabbage (talk) 06:47, 22 April 2014 (PDT)

Never used company signs

No evidence has been presented that the following company signs have ever been displayed in a released, official game map.

• Co Op
• Farmers Elevator
• Farmers Feed & Seed Co.
• Ferguson System
• Holdingford Mill
• Superior Feeds

Each of these is adapted from real business signs of the 60s or earlier. I have personally seen the original sources of all of these signs, most of them as a youth. Each of these were uploaded by the user (a prolific and valued editor of the day) called editor that sourced them from real life signs. That user claimed they went official with Hoodoo, but the signs listed above are not found on that map, nor in any screen capture of that map on this wiki. I am all about IRL nostalgia, but I want to know if there is any reason these 6 companies should not be removed from this list. Mikado282 (talk) 21:32, 11 June 2014 (PDT)

Redstone Cargo Possible Reference

Redstone Cargo may be a reference on Minecraft DiamondCubeMiner (talk) 23:57, 3 July 2014 (PDT)

There is a difference between "Redstone Cargo" and "Red Stone Cargo". It just depends on how you read it, so I don't think it's a reference. ClockworkSpirit2343 00:57, 4 July 2014‎ (PST)

Redstone references several related things, none of them having anything to do with Minecraft. In the real world, towns were named Redstone, after local red sandstone, shale, mudstone, quartzite, scoria, or granite, like that dominating TF2 maps. Redstone Arsenal was named for the local red soil and stones in that location. The Redstone rocket (which the sd_doomsday rocket very loosely resembles) was named for the Redstone Arsenal. In the 1960s Space Punk, which influences TF2 art, it was not uncommon to name companies after space programs.

So, all of these references are natural and consistent with the art and theme of TF2, but none of these references are documented (AFAIK) or particularly notable (except as TF2 art influences). And the sign was released long before sd_doomsday. From the TF2 logo itself, it is a clear reference to natural red stone, which is abundant on the TF2 maps; so, in my opinion, explicit documentation would be required to say that this TF2 company is a reference to Minecraft (even so, it would still be a multiple reference). There are mines all over TF2 maps; are those mines a reference to Minecraft or to all the red rock mines that that dotted New Mexico and Colorado upon which no small part of TF2 art is based? Mikado282 (talk) 07:26, 4 July 2014 (PDT) ; edited 12:02, 5 July 2014 (PDT)

DeGroot's Rum

How did they ignore this one? It's found on the label on the Scottish Handshake. DeGroot is the Demoman's last name, his full name being Tavish Finnegan DeGroot. Octorock888 (talk) 10:22, 20 July 2014 (PDT)

Forgive the liberty of adjusting the user's image size. Mikado282 (talk) 21:07, 27 July 2014 (PDT)

Missing designer references

As noted, a number of "companies" reference the real or community names for game designers or industrial artists. There are a number of company names for which the reference is presently "unknown", and for which a suspicision may be held that the name is a reference to a game designer (e.g., Casali) or a historical graphic artist (e.g., Cornwell). I submit the following names as potentially references to persons for others to search for correlation to Valve or community developers so proper reference may be made:

Beacon, Biggs, Binksi, Crummy, Schucker

Mikado282 (talk) 22:11, 22 March 2015 (PDT) 03:52, 26 March 2015 (PDT)

Can't figured out how to edit list

When I try to edit the page it says the list itself is in a template; when I go to the template the list isn't there, either. The edit I'm trying to add is that the Clem's corn sign also appears in Borneo. -Captain Video (talk) 14:24, 13 July 2015 (PDT)

--> {{List of companies}} — The preceding assigned comment was added by Tark {Finish Him! ▪ Contribs} 14:54, 13 July 2015 (PDT)

New companies from community maps?

I'm thinking specifically of RedEx from Swiftwater and Crash Construction from Probed. Swiftwater, of course, isn't officially in the game, but Probed is - now. Could Crash Construction technically be added to this list? Dogman15 (talk) 01:28, 15 October 2015 (PDT)

Certainly. If the map is in the vanilla game, you can add its companies. Darkid (Talk | Contribs) 07:25, 15 October 2015 (PDT)

Bonk Helm

Is the Bonk Helm a product of Bonk!? It made from 2 Bonk! Atomic Punch but it also made (probably) from Batter's Helmet and we don't know if Bonk! is indeed the company who made the Bonk Helm or manufactured the hat. Yair03 (talk) 06:58, 22 April 2016 (PDT)

Cerveza Royale

Cerveza Royale also refences to the famous mexican beer Corona, wich is a Worldwide export. MåsterGeek.MX (talk) 13:31, 29 April 2017 (PDT)

Cracky Pop may be a Coca-Cola reference

Coca-Cola contained a negligible amount of coca-leaf extract in its recipe until 1929. This makes sense considering Cracky Pop's name, i.e. "pop (soda) that contains crack," suggesting that, like Coca-Cola, it may be a cocaine-infused (or formerly cocaine-infused) soda in an alternate mid-20th century where Coca-Cola was much more transparently named. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tutwater (talk) • (contribs) 10:21, 9 August 2017

Speculation, not trivia. Also, please sign your comment next time with ~~~~ Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 10:10, 9 August 2017 (PDT)

Yeah, that's what I thought when I noticed the adverts for Cracky Pop in-game. Could be the case, but I don't know if it can be verified as a reference to that period in Coca-Cola's history. Then again, by that logic, we could say the same about the name being a reference to the Rice Krispies tagline. GoodMudkip (talk) 17:00, 20 September 2021 (UTC)GoodMudkip

Wouldn't BONK be none?

They sell to both teams sooo... Ilikethelugeranddemopan (talk) 15:20, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

It is none.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Arcade Games (Badlands Bandito, et al)

Yes, there are several new signs that can be uploaded from years worth of new maps. (Be sure to source from the game files rather than screen caps.)

But some signs are clearly arcade games rather than companies.

I hope we wouldn't add the arcade games here as companies:

1. These are mostly reused from Carnival of Carnage and Laughter and have been perhaps been sufficiently or better written up on those pages
2. I really don't think they can be considered BLU/RED fronts.
3. The arcade games on Laughter generally have interactive in-game interactions, any mention on the copies on Pier (like Badlands Bandito) should point to their write ups there.
4. The arcade games on Carnival of Carnage are specific parts of the map's storyline, any mention on the copies on Pier (Like Shoot the Idiot) should point to their write ups there.
5. Anything for these arcade games added to List of companies would be needlessly redundant to what is now better placed on the pages for Carnival of Carnage and Laughter.
6. IRL, they really are more branding than companies.

e.g., Chance Mannufacturing in Wichita, KS, makes many attractions, but the names on the signs that the purchasers apply usually have nothing to with any company.

Add the new companies, yes, but, please leave the arcade games to the maps they are introduced on.

M I K 🎄 D O 1 8 Ho Ho Ho ^.🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🎅 (talk) (Help Wanted!) 04:57, 15 December 2020 (UTC) 05:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Do non-Canon companies belong in this list?

First off, let me postulate that a company is Canon only if it is part of a Valve-developed map or in Valve-published media. Second, the initial concept was that these listed companies were fronts for RED or BLU. This was later extended to subsidiaries and shell companies for TFi and Mann Co.

So, with this definition, in contrast, Red Planet and Tycho Corp are not Canon because they are not on Valve maps. Even though Charles Darling is Canon, his Triassic Preserve is not Canon because Valve did not develop Enclosure. (Does it mean anything that Valve drew Darling with an amber-topped cane?)

Just throwing that out there for comment.

However, all content is notable if patched to the game, meaning, all textures, images, and sounds in the files are justifiable to upload at least to a Category. There is no presumption that every image gets into a page, but don't presume there is no use for each one just because you haven't imagined it. Moreover, non-Canon companies are notable, even in some cases they are the raison d'etre of the whole map!

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (Talk with Mikado282 (SM)) | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 03:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC) 03:45, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

I think non-canon companies should belong on the list. Non-canon companies can give info on the story of the map/game, meaning they should at least be put on the list of companies instead of being hidden away in a category. For example, the company's on Swiftwater for RED and BLU give a lot of information about the map story despite them being non-canon. They give context for parts of the map, such as the swift plan slideshow seen in BLU's spawn. I'm sure there's other examples of this in other maps, without these companies being listed, it would be harder to understand parts of the map. I would suggest putting the list of companies page in the see also section of a map page if it has note worthy companies.

Andrew360 16:39, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Either add a non-canon/community companies section, or don't list them at all.
GrampaSwood (talk) 16:48, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't see why we should separate them into different pages. A lot of this game's content comes from the community, it would be like if we separated every single map, cosmetic, weapon, etc into a "community" page. If Valve added them to the game and they are in the game's files, they should be with the other content that Valve has made as well.

Andrew360 17:57, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

If the non-Canon companies are specific to a single map, giving "a lot of information about the map story", then it is not useful to put them here instead of the map's page. I don't think it is useful for readers to have to come here for the stories of different maps, expecally if the companies from a map would separated in this list by alphabetization.

How important is the original concept of this page, that being, to present and tell more about companies that Valve built into the Storyline, or tributed to Valve employees, while admitting that not all of Valves companies fit either role.

The template is huge. A second section could be added to this page for Community companies section, with its own template. But that section should not try to repeat telling the map's story. Even if there it Trivia about the map's companies, The Trivia belongs on the map's page. (like, Shifty's Trivia is already on Swiftwater)(it is another thing, maybe, if Shifty's starts appearing on more maps)

No big rush to figure it out, though.

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (Talk with Mikado282 (SM)) | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 02:30, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Considering that the companies add to the world of TF2, listing them in the same section as Valve's companies might make it seem like they're canon and officially part of the game. There's no way Valve is going to not include a map in the game because of a fictional company. Hence, listing them separately would be the best option.
GrampaSwood (talk) 14:33, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Clearly the heavy update isn't finished because all the community maps have companies Valve doesn't want. Anyways, the community companies template added to the list of companies page is a lot better than just adding it to the big template already already, much better idea than mine. The only downside is there are already community companies in the list of companies list currently, so someone would have to remove those first before making the community template.

Andrew360 17:37, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Just to be clear, non-Canon does not mean Unofficial. Companies that are added by patched in Community maps are officially added to the game, they just are not necessarily Canon to the Storyline. Tycho Corp is part of the game, but not part of the Storyline Canon.

No problem moving non-Canon Companies from the present template to the proposed one.

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (Talk with Mikado282 (SM)) | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 00:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Also, I am open to alternatives we did add some Community companies without thinking it strange. Largely, as we know, TF2 has shifted from Valve maps to Community Maps.

And then there are the Community companies that have been reused on other maps?

And are there Community companies that Valve has used?

Is Triassic Preserve practically Canon? Is Hammond's Amber Mining Co. practically Canon? Valve did give Darling [[Hammond's amber-toped cane in the 2013 Comic (or is it Australium?!?!?).

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (Talk with Mikado282 (SM)) | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 16:08, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

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