Talk:Soldier

Health and Speed

May I change the speed part to match the format of the health (main slash tooltip format)? --Zippy 09:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

The slash is meant to indicate a separation between normal and overhealed. It doesn't make sense for it to separate normal speed and speed from some other condition, and it would be incosistent with the other class articles. -- Pilk _(talk) 09:16, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I thought the slash format was just "original / different from original due to a specific condition", regardless if it has to do with health. You downright lost me on your second sentence. It wouldn't be inconsistent if the other class' pages underwent the same change. I see absolutely no difference between having the slashes and tooltips on the health and on the running speeds. Both right-of-slash numbers would indicate a change or different condition. --Zippy 13:25, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Legionaire's Lid

I was going through the game files earlier to help with translating a couple of names into Dutch when I encountered this:
"[english]TF_SoldierRomanHelmet" "Legionaire's Lid"
"[english]TF_SoldierRomanHelmet_Desc" "An antique from the late Imperial Gallic period."
When I searched on google, I found a sole mention in the Steam forums ([1]), but other then that, no mention at all. Should we add anything about this, if not in the Soldier page, in the scrapped items article? Or do we leave it untouched for the time being? I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before, but I couldn't find anything else about this on here or the web for that matter. -- Hefaistus 19:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Hm, I don't know the usual way of dealing with these unconfirmed, vague references to items, which I'd say obviously takes preference. I don't really think we have enough information to actually start an article, but that might just be me. ~ lhavelund ^{(talk ▪ contrib)} 19:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Contribute item. I do recall seeing it on FPSB. Too bad it's not fully implemented. -- Vi3trice _(talk) 19:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

trivia

where are all trivia? are they all gone? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jem (talk) • contribs) 21:59, 6 November 2010

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Soldier&action=history --CruelCow 21:03, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I found out last night through bodygroups that parts of the soldier's model include the Gentle Mann's medal and a rocket in his left hand. Is this trivia worthy? I found it interesting. Big G 16:51, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

New taunt kill icon

Is there any way to add the Holy Hand Grenade taunt kill icon into the Equalizer info box? GeminiViRiS Talk Contribs 21:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)\ Probably not necessary. Pierow 05:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Speaking of Kill Icons, how come some are missing? Geno 12:17, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

Cow Mangler 5000

With last nights patch does it still have the increased base damage on the charged shot?

Cryllic 08:37, 23 July 2011 (PDT)

I'm not sure. I did notice, however, that I was unable to one hit kill 150 HP classes with it like I used to, so maybe it did lower. Balladofwindfishes 08:41, 23 July 2011 (PDT)

Soldier using alias?

When and where was this announced that this is a false name?MEDUNN 12:02, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

It actually never was as far as I remember. I guess we just kind of assumed. Balladofwindfishes 12:04, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

A John Doe is a name for a person who wishes to remain anonymous, is unknown or can be used as a generic term. The female equivalent is Jane Doe. Template:W. —Moussekateer·talk 12:07, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Why did you assume that? I mean he refers to himself as that, the administrator in the War comic and the Replay comic calls him Doe. It looks just the same as the Demoman, so why assume the Soldier is using a false name and not the Demoman? Also isn't it speculation that its false, and doesn't that make it against wiki rules to write that?MEDUNN 12:08, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Yes, it does seem like speculation on our part. I guess nobody has really thought about it until now. Balladofwindfishes 12:09, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

It's a joke name, but not a false name. I think this false name idea is speculation at best.MEDUNN 12:10, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Gah! you answer so quick, I'm talking several questions before!MEDUNN 12:11, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

I think it's quite clearly not his real name. It goes with his character of just another generic soldier, another nameless face; ie a John Doe. —Moussekateer·talk 12:16, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

But it's still an assumption. We're never told it's not his real name. Balladofwindfishes 12:22, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Well, there are around 11,000 people in America with the last name Doe, so it's not out of the question that it's his real surname. The idea of his first name being Jane is probably what makes people think it's a fake name. » Cooper Kid (Blether · Contreebs) 12:25, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

I don't think it's clear at all and I want to know what evidence you have to prove your theory is more than speculation. Plenty of characters in comic fiction have been called thing like John Doe and the joke being everyone assumes its a false name, or film dirctors called Allan Smithie, and that turns out to be their real name. As far as I can see in tf2 no character ever says anything that hints the name is false, when the administrator talks to him she says Mr Doe not Mr "Doe" or any other way of showing a name is false. I know where the name comes from but as far as I can see the joke is the reveal that the hitherto unknown Soldier's real name is the same name given to unknown soldiers, and then gave him a female version just to add extra humour. But again speculation isn't allowed on the wiki, what proof is there in tf2 from the blog, game or comics that the name is false?MEDUNN 12:26, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

John Wayne's first name was Marion and, believe it or not, there are American men named Jane, Jill and Sarah.MEDUNN 12:28, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

But that's beside the point, as far as I can see Valve has named the character Jane Doe, what tf2 evidence is there otherwise?MEDUNN 12:30, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

A joke explained is a joke ruined, and this is quite a clear joke. Do you want Valve to explain every joke to you or do you really expect Valve to come out with a statement and say it's not his real name? No doubt there are people called John Doe and Jane Doe but that changes nothing. The name is overwhelmingly associated with anonymous, incognito people or those without a name. —Moussekateer·talk 12:32, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Speculation and assumtion, no different to saying the Sniper is called Rick because of Ritzy Ricks hair fixture, or the Scout is not really from Boston this is a lie he told, his accent proves it.MEDUNN 12:35, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Ah, now explain why the Sniper's name isn't Ritzy Rick by your logic? (Before the replay comic) —Moussekateer·talk 12:37, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Uhh, I can't. That was my point. You have no more evidence that Jane Doe is a false name than any other piece of fan-fcition or fan-theories (How did you not get that I was making up silly but vaguely credible theories to show level of proof required?)MEDUNN 12:42, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

It is just the kind of thing Valve would do, isn't it, giving the Soldier a female name. I say we go ahead and change the article to make it his real name instead of an alias, unless it does say that anywhere in the comics. » Cooper Kid (Blether · Contreebs) 12:36, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Yes I agree to change it. There's no proof it's an alias. Balladofwindfishes 12:40, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Thirded, but will gladly take it back if any Team Fortress proof arises.MEDUNN 12:43, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Disagree. You're taking a joke literally. Next we'll be changing the TF2 article to say it's actually a war-themed hat simulator because Valve have not issued a statement declaring it a joke. —Moussekateer·talk 12:47, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

The administrator called him Mr. Doe, and she isn't one for joking. What other time was Valve joking about a character's name? Balladofwindfishes 12:52, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Moussekateer we know that you think the joke is that he uses a false name. Whilst others think the joke is that the unknown soldiers real name is that of an unknown Soldier (and that the manly man has a girly name). But look at the wiki rules regarding the burdon of proof, you can't just say that your interpretation is canon. Without evidence you have no grounds to object upon under the wiki rules.MEDUNN 12:53, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Balladofwindfishes, she calls him that because that is the name he's given himself. If these references don't help I don't know what will. MEDUNN, we can't take everything literally. You're asking the impossible of me. If you really want to be that anal about facts I'm sure I could come up with a bunch of stuff that you would find impossible to disprove using a source but you would know was false from common sense. —Moussekateer·talk 13:01, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

If asking you to provide some proof for your theory is asking the impossible, then I can't see how it is anything other speculation.MEDUNN 13:07, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Simple, ask Robin. —GeminiViRiS Talk · Contribs 12:57, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

[unindent] If it's that big of a deal, leave it off of the article altogether, just like Pyro, Scout or Medic. coreycubed / talk 13:04, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

We have no way of knowing whether its an alias or not. For now, I'd say the best thing would be to acknowledge that. The "names" should be taken out of the opening summary, and left only in the bio. In the bio, we'll just write "Mister Jane Doe, possible alias". Simple. Also, jeezus, indent monsters. --SilverHammer 13:07, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

But 'possible allias' is also speculation.MEDUNN 13:08, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Asking Robin would probably yield a vague answer, but it would be worth a shot. Mouse, what we're arguing is not if something is false, we're arguing if something is true. Notably, the concept that the name Jane Doe is an alias. That statement is not backed by anything other than "common sense." Irregardless of other examples you could pose, the fact still remains there is no reason we should lead readers to believing his name given in official media is an alias. We didn't know his name before the comic (unlike the TF2 is hat simulator thing) and Valve hasn't given us any reason to doubt it's his real name other than the name "Jane Doe" meaning something outside of TF2. Balladofwindfishes 13:09, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

MEDUNN, you're asking me to prove Valve is making a joke. Balladofwindfishes, if you cannot accept the concept that John and Jane Doe are extremely well known aliases then I don't think I change your mind. I can understand non-westerners not getting the history behind the name, but for everyone else the joke should be obvious. —Moussekateer·talk 13:13, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

MEDUNN, it isn't speculation at all... It's "we don't know for sure, and we're acknowledging that fact." --SilverHammer 13:11, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

Joke Name =/= Confirmed Alias Balladofwindfishes 13:14, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

I'm not asking you to prove Valve is making a joke, I'm asking you to prove that his name is an alias. I think it's a joke, but I think that the joke is that the soldiers real name is the name of a generic soldier, but also that the manly man has a girly name. But regardless of what either of us THINKS (as in subjective) the joke is, the fact is that Valve has repeatsly named the Soldier Jane Doe and has had several references to this. The name is never said ironicly or in "quotations" or given any other indicator that it's false. You have come up with the theory that it is a false name, that is fine for steamforums, but to post it here you need to have direct corroborating evidence from a Valve source.MEDUNN 13:20, 3 August 2011 (PDT)

I don't think either of you get the joke. --SilverHammer 13:22, 3 August 2011 (PDT)