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== General guidelines ==
 
== General guidelines ==
* It is not necessary that any page have a quote; it is better that there be no quote, than a quote that contributes nothing to the subject.
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* It is not necessary that any page have a quote; it is better that there be no quote, than a quote that contributes nothing to the subject.  If there is no quote on a page, ''nothing is missing''.
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* It is not necessary that any quote have a quote description; it is better that there be no quote description, than a quote description that contributes nothing to the quote. If there is no quote description on a ''good'' self-explanatory quote, ''nothing is missing''.
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** If the quote needs a quote description to be remotely interesting or relevant, ''maybe'' there could be a better quote.
 
* If the page has an infobox (e.g., [[:Template:Item infobox|Item infobox]], or [[:Template:Map  infobox|Map infobox]]), or a lead image, the quote template is placed ''after'' the infobox template, or image, but before the [[w:Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section|lead section]].
 
* If the page has an infobox (e.g., [[:Template:Item infobox|Item infobox]], or [[:Template:Map  infobox|Map infobox]]), or a lead image, the quote template is placed ''after'' the infobox template, or image, but before the [[w:Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section|lead section]].
 
* Try not to use the same quote on multiple pages.
 
* Try not to use the same quote on multiple pages.
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== Quoted text ==
 
== Quoted text ==
Almost without exception, the text is quoted from [[Valve]] content, particularly printed or spoken content of any media related to ''Team Fortress 2.'' Often, quotations are selected from [[Responses]], but also include quips from [[Comics]], [[Movies]], [[Patches|Update pages]], item and map descriptions, and even [[TF2 Official Website#Blog|Blog posts]].
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Almost without exception, the text is quoted from [[Valve]] content, particularly printed or spoken content of any media related to ''Team Fortress 2.'' Often, quotations are selected from [[Responses]], but also include quips from [[Comics]], [[Movies]], [[Patches|Update pages]], item and map descriptions, and even [[TF2 Official Website#Blog|Blog posts]].  The best quotes are usually pithy; ''long'' Item Descriptions, Update, or other text are to be avoided, and should be trimmed if used at all.  A Workshop description can be acceptably quoted ''if'' it is really good ''and'' actually relevant to the released content.  
  
 
; Specific quotes
 
; Specific quotes
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; Attributer  
 
; Attributer  
The attributer identifies the source of the quote, which can be a person, character, or any Valve content related to ''Team Fortress'''
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The attributer identifies the source of the quote, which can be a person, character, or any Valve content related to ''Team Fortress''.
 
* Player characters are written as '''The Scout''', '''The Heavy''', '''The Spy''', etc.
 
* Player characters are written as '''The Scout''', '''The Heavy''', '''The Spy''', etc.
 
* Non-player character attributers include '''The Administrator''', '''Saxton Hale''', '''Miss Pauling''', '''Merasmus''', '''[[Non-player characters#Whitaker|Whitaker]]''', etc.
 
* Non-player character attributers include '''The Administrator''', '''Saxton Hale''', '''Miss Pauling''', '''Merasmus''', '''[[Non-player characters#Whitaker|Whitaker]]''', etc.
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(The attributer can have a link to the source's article, but that is usually unnecessary.)
 
* For text quoted from item and map update or workshop descriptions, it is common to bold the item or map name followed by the unbolded description; "''publicity blurb''".
 
* For text quoted from item and map update or workshop descriptions, it is common to bold the item or map name followed by the unbolded description; "''publicity blurb''".
* Alternatively, '''''from Brimstone's spooky workshop description''''' can be used.
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* Alternatively, styles like "'''''from Brimstone's spooky workshop description'''''" can be used.
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* For speech quoted from Valve media, an unbolded link should be provided to the source [[Comic]] page or [[Movie]] timestamp (example on [[War Dog]]; — '''''Soldier''' [[:File:Unhappyreturns30.jpg|Unhappy Returns]]'').
The attributer can have a link to the source's article, but that is usually unnecessary.  
 
  
  
 
; Quote descriptions  
 
; Quote descriptions  
Sometimes text may be added after the quote's attributer, in order to add context. <u>''This should be used sparingly''</u>, such as when the choice of quote will make little sense without additional context. It should never be used is the relevance of the quote is obvious. ''In certain past episodes, a few editors have added several such unnecessary descriptions to quotations never intended to have any. This is no service to Team Fortress Wiki; rather, it is a small service to the Wiki to remove unnecessary descriptions.''
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Sometimes text may be added after the quote's attributer, in order to add context. <u>''This should be used sparingly''</u>, such as when the choice of quote will make little sense without additional context. A quote description should never be used if the relevance of the quote is obvious. If there is no quote description, usually the original editor intended that there not be any description. ''In certain past episodes, a few editors have added several such unnecessary descriptions to quotations never intended to have any descriptions . This is no help to Team Fortress Wiki; rather, it is actually a small service to the Wiki to remove unnecessary descriptions.''
  
 
For example; the following quote is used for the article on the [[Chieftain's Challenge]].
 
For example; the following quote is used for the article on the [[Chieftain's Challenge]].
 
  
 
{{Quotation|'''The Soldier''' |Screamin' Eagles!|sound=Soldier_specialcompleted04.wav}}{{c|yes|Good description.}} We already know [[w:War bonnet|War bonnets]] are made of eagle feathers.
 
{{Quotation|'''The Soldier''' |Screamin' Eagles!|sound=Soldier_specialcompleted04.wav}}{{c|yes|Good description.}} We already know [[w:War bonnet|War bonnets]] are made of eagle feathers.
  
 
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{{Quotation|'''The Soldier''' on what noise is made when an eagle elevates its voice|Screamin' Eagles!|sound=Soldier_specialcompleted04.wav}}{{c|no|Bad description.}} We already know how the quote is related to the article, and this "explanation" that has ''nothing'' to do with the item is not needed.
{{Quotation|'''The Soldier''' on what noise is made when an eagle elevates its voice|Screamin' Eagles!|sound=Soldier_specialcompleted04.wav}}{{c|no|Bad description.}} We already know how the quote is related to the article, this is not needed.
 

Revision as of 23:05, 30 October 2021

See also: Responses.
Ya got anything smart ta say now?
The Scout
"Can I get quote on that?"

This is the Quotation Style Guide for the use of quotes on the Team Fortress Wiki.

Many pages on the Team Fortress Wiki contain quotations at the top of pages, sometimes elsewhere. These may be a direct reference to the article's subject from sources such as a publicity blurb, or simply an unrelated quote from a class response that fits well with the subject matter. Most of the time, these quotes are just decorations on the page, and humorously appear as if the classes are giving their opinions about the article's subject.

See Quotation template usage documentation.
{{Quotation|'''Quotation source'''|Quoted text.}}
Quoted text.
Quotation source

General guidelines

  • It is not necessary that any page have a quote; it is better that there be no quote, than a quote that contributes nothing to the subject. If there is no quote on a page, nothing is missing.
  • It is not necessary that any quote have a quote description; it is better that there be no quote description, than a quote description that contributes nothing to the quote. If there is no quote description on a good self-explanatory quote, nothing is missing.
    • If the quote needs a quote description to be remotely interesting or relevant, maybe there could be a better quote.
  • If the page has an infobox (e.g., Item infobox, or Map infobox), or a lead image, the quote template is placed after the infobox template, or image, but before the lead section.
  • Try not to use the same quote on multiple pages.
  • If the article is about an item that is used by only one class, try to use a quote from that class if at all possible.
  • If a consensus cannot be reached about which quote to use, either the moderators will have the final say, or the page will simply not be given a quote.

Quoted text

Almost without exception, the text is quoted from Valve content, particularly printed or spoken content of any media related to Team Fortress 2. Often, quotations are selected from Responses, but also include quips from Comics, Movies, Update pages, item and map descriptions, and even Blog posts. The best quotes are usually pithy; long Item Descriptions, Update, or other text are to be avoided, and should be trimmed if used at all. A Workshop description can be acceptably quoted if it is really good and actually relevant to the released content.

Specific quotes

Quotes that have a direct specific reference to the item or subject of the articles or sections should be used rather than quotes that are not direct references. If a new direct quote becomes available, it should replace the old one.

Quotation source

The quotation source parameter identifies the source of the quotation (person, character, publication). The Wiki's format for the Quotation source parameter is

'''<attributer>''' <quote description>

such that the attributer name or identity of the source is bolded while the optional quote description is in plain italics.


Attributer

The attributer identifies the source of the quote, which can be a person, character, or any Valve content related to Team Fortress.

  • Player characters are written as The Scout, The Heavy, The Spy, etc.
  • Non-player character attributers include The Administrator, Saxton Hale, Miss Pauling, Merasmus, Whitaker, etc.

(The attributer can have a link to the source's article, but that is usually unnecessary.)

  • For text quoted from item and map update or workshop descriptions, it is common to bold the item or map name followed by the unbolded description; "publicity blurb".
  • Alternatively, styles like "from Brimstone's spooky workshop description" can be used.
  • For speech quoted from Valve media, an unbolded link should be provided to the source Comic page or Movie timestamp (example on War Dog; — Soldier Unhappy Returns).


Quote descriptions

Sometimes text may be added after the quote's attributer, in order to add context. This should be used sparingly, such as when the choice of quote will make little sense without additional context. A quote description should never be used if the relevance of the quote is obvious. If there is no quote description, usually the original editor intended that there not be any description. In certain past episodes, a few editors have added several such unnecessary descriptions to quotations never intended to have any descriptions . This is no help to Team Fortress Wiki; rather, it is actually a small service to the Wiki to remove unnecessary descriptions.

For example; the following quote is used for the article on the Chieftain's Challenge.

Screamin' Eagles!
The Soldier

Pictogram tick.png Good description. We already know War bonnets are made of eagle feathers.

Screamin' Eagles!
The Soldier on what noise is made when an eagle elevates its voice

Pictogram cross.png Bad description. We already know how the quote is related to the article, and this "explanation" that has nothing to do with the item is not needed.