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== Is the Metal cost the same for all buildings? ==
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While it makes sense for a Sentry to cost 130 metal to teleport, is this cost consistent for all buildings, such as Dispensers and Mini Sentries?
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== Reflection behaviour in 2024 ==
  
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It's also worth checking out if the bolts can repair Mini Sentries. [[User:Bralef|Bralef]] 08:42, 21 December 2012 (PST)
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I had my edit reverted saying that "it's expected that the reflected projectiles behave identically", and I'm here to contest that by saying they ''do''.
  
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The Rescue grab Costs 130 metal regardless of building grabbed, It also cannot repair mini-sentry's. It can repair allied buildings and it only consumes ammo for the repair, not metal.--[[User:Nintyuk|Nintyuk]] 08:47, 21 December 2012 (PST)
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The current behaviour is that healing 4 HP costs 1 metal. If the Engineer has insufficient metal, healing is reduced to match; if he has no metal at all, there is equally no healing. The Pyro has no metal. Therefore, it is logical that the Pyro cannot heal buildings by reflecting bolts, as he has no metal with which to do so.
  
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== Rough Damage Values :NOT FOR MAIN PAGE: ==
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Was this a bug for previous versions of the weapon, where the healing was free? Yes. Is it a bug now? No, it's working the same as when the Engineer has no metal. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 22:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
  
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The gun seems to have the shotguns damage fall off with a minimum of 18 damage at max range, at point blank it was doing around 55 damage but with most shots being around 35 damage.--[[User:Nintyuk|Nintyuk]] 08:44, 21 December 2012 (PST)
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:It's still a bug because before the change, it wouldn't either, which means (just like any other airblasted projectile) some of the attributes don't carry over. Until they fix that and it still doesn't heal, I would say it should still be put as a bug, especially because they very easily could make it heal without metal for an airblast as an upside.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 22:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
  
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== Eureka Effect ==
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::and if shounic can be believed, pyro actually has 100 metal to work with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9nqtSLOtyU
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::[[User:RotatcepS|rotatcepS]] ([[User talk:RotatcepS|talk]]) 00:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
  
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I have yet to obtain the Rescue Ranger to test this myself, but does anyone know if the RRs ability works with the Eureka Effect equipped? Might be some notable information for both item pages. [[File:User_M-NINJA_Signature.png|link=User:M-NINJA]] 10:49, 21 December 2012 (PST)
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:::I personally don't believe this to be relevant as it's just a technical quirk.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 00:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
  
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:If you mean the hauling ability, then no, you can't rescue with the EE equipped. But you can still heal buildings. --[[User:Pakaku|Pakaku]] 17:18, 21 December 2012 (PST)
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:::: Also, in the shounic video you linked they specifically mentioned that other classes aren't able to repair buidlings even when given the wrench which sorta nullifies that whole argument. [[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Mediarch'''}}]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[User talk:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Talk'''}}]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''My Edits'''}}]] 00:53, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
  
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== Monitor and bolts ==
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:Why is "it was a bug before" relevant to whether it is a bug now? There is no practical difference between "they didn't touch the underlying issue so the result is the same" and "they fixed the underlying issue and the result is the same". If we didn't have the history to look at, would it have been considered a bug in the first place? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 02:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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It looks like the monitor (it's an oscilloscope, by the way) is supposed to tell the player if they have enough metal to 'rescue' their buildings. The wave is at its highest when the player has 200 metal, and gradually flattens out until they have less than 130 metal (and can't rescue).
 
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It also looks like the bolts the gun shoots can pin ragdolls to walls, like the Huntsman and Crusader's Crossbow. They also don't seem to resupply a sentry's ammo supply. --[[User:Pakaku|Pakaku]] 17:20, 21 December 2012 (PST)
 

Latest revision as of 02:19, 2 October 2024

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Reflection behaviour in 2024

I had my edit reverted saying that "it's expected that the reflected projectiles behave identically", and I'm here to contest that by saying they do.

The current behaviour is that healing 4 HP costs 1 metal. If the Engineer has insufficient metal, healing is reduced to match; if he has no metal at all, there is equally no healing. The Pyro has no metal. Therefore, it is logical that the Pyro cannot heal buildings by reflecting bolts, as he has no metal with which to do so.

Was this a bug for previous versions of the weapon, where the healing was free? Yes. Is it a bug now? No, it's working the same as when the Engineer has no metal. Toomai Glittershine 22:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

It's still a bug because before the change, it wouldn't either, which means (just like any other airblasted projectile) some of the attributes don't carry over. Until they fix that and it still doesn't heal, I would say it should still be put as a bug, especially because they very easily could make it heal without metal for an airblast as an upside.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 22:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
and if shounic can be believed, pyro actually has 100 metal to work with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9nqtSLOtyU
rotatcepS (talk) 00:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
I personally don't believe this to be relevant as it's just a technical quirk.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 00:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Also, in the shounic video you linked they specifically mentioned that other classes aren't able to repair buidlings even when given the wrench which sorta nullifies that whole argument. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.png ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 00:53, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Why is "it was a bug before" relevant to whether it is a bug now? There is no practical difference between "they didn't touch the underlying issue so the result is the same" and "they fixed the underlying issue and the result is the same". If we didn't have the history to look at, would it have been considered a bug in the first place? Toomai Glittershine 02:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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