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== Votes for new quote ==
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I think that this one is a bit funnier.
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== broken quote ==
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:No. This is already used on the [[Black Box]] page. The wiki just seems vain if it uses the same quotes over and over again.--[[User:Focusknock|Focusknock]] 08:41, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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:{{c|No}} I agree with Focusknock. That quote is already being used for the Black Box, and frankly it is better suited to that page. Also, "Hippo-crates" never gets old! -- [[User:Alex2539|Alex2539]] 08:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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The quote at the top of the article is broken. Not sure how I would fix it. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 00:22, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
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::Actually, it bugs me. We need a different quote, the current one makes me feel like we just don't have anything better. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 23:52, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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:{{c|Yes}} I agree with lund. There are lots of other unused quotes that would be better suited. [[User:FlotsamX|FlotsamX]] 01:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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:Looks fine on my end.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 09:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
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::{{c|Neutral}} For this idea, though I have no idea if it's been used, I would suggest *[[Media:Engineer_specialcompleted02.wav|"Another satisfied customer!"]]" from the Engineer. :) --[[User:Fragment of Nothing|Fragment of Nothing]] 19:05, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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::For some reason, it might just be how the page loaded that day... [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 04:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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:::I like the Engie quote much more. The Scout quote was bugging me because it was like we don't know who [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocrates Hippocrates] is. [[User:Fate Soul Blake|Fate Soul Blake]] 20:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::I think the Engie quote is already used in the Trading article. But we do need a new one. {{User:Ohyeahcrucz/Sig2}} 20:32, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::Oh yeah you're right.  Well then.  Looks like I'll need to search for a new one then! [[User:Fate Soul Blake|Fate Soul Blake]] 20:59, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 
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== Description ==
 
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You need a [[Mann Co. Supply Crate Key]] to open this. You can pick one up at the [[Mann Co. Store]].
 
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"This crate contains one of the items listed in its description. To unlock the crate and retrieve the item, you must use a [[Mann Co. Supply Crate Key]], which can be purchased inside the [[ Mann Co. Store]]. These crates contain one of the rarest and most valuable items in the game, so cross your fingers before you unlock them!" Mann Co. Catalog
 
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[[File:Backpack_Mann_Co._Supply_Crate.png | 100px]]
 
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== How is it obtained? ==
 
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Is it found through drops?--[[User:Jordan|Jordan]] 10:59, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:Yes I just got one dropped. Now I just need a key... [[User:Dzjudz|Dzjudz]] 15:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::The crates drop randomly, the keys to open them are purchase-only. -[[User:RJackson|<span style="background-color:#FF0000;color:white;font-size:0.7em;padding: 0 2px;">RJ</span>]]{{mod}} 15:50, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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== How is it randomized? ==
 
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Does each item have the same chance of being uncrated, or is there a weighted system?--[[User:Gatherto|Gatherto]]
 
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:Maybe we should put a percentage table on the page so people can post what they got?--[[User:Corrderio|Corrderio]]
 
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:: I collected some data from SPUF based on that
 
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::From what we got so far(114 samples) there is
 
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::38.59% chance of getting an old weapon
 
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::21.05% chance of getting a hat
 
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::20.17% chance of getting a paint can
 
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::9.64 % chance of getting a name tag
 
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::7.89 % chance of getting a polycount weapon
 
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::2.63 % chance of getting an unusual hat --[[User:Banished one|Banished one]] 10:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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I'm not so sure that the data should be on the page just yet.  It's still new, can we confirm those observations?  --[[User:Fragment of Nothing|Fragment of Nothing]] 10:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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I currently have a thread on the Steam forums [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1483294] where I'm tallying up what people have opened so far.  Currently, a total of 326 crates.  I just hope it helps with the statistics. --[[User:Toahpt|Toahpt]]  17:07 7 October 2010 (EST)
 
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As of 22:41, 7 October, There's a total of 687 crates tallied on my thread.  I'm sure the number will continue to grow.  --[[User:Toahpt|Toahpt]]
 
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No, but the page does say "It may contain content that is inaccurate or undocumented" at the top. I thought we should have some numbers to give people a vague idea about what to expect from a crate.--[[User:Banished one|Banished one]] 10:22, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:Out of the eight I have opened, 2 gunslingers, 2 scottish resistance, 2 black paint, 1 white paint, 1 old guadalajero. Hope that helps at all.[[User:Rhonlore|Rhonlore]] 01:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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== What does it drop like? ==
 
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Does it have the same drop rate as an item, a hat, or its own drop rate?--[[User:Gatherto|Gatherto]]
 
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i'm not sure if it has it's own drop rate but certainly it's not as rare as a hat.--[[User:Banished one|Banished one]] 10:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:I'm led to believe that the drop rate is similar if not the same as weapons... {{n}}[[User:Smashman|<span class="bur">Smashman</span>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{bur}} 11:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::From my experience one usually drops for each player every week. So it's not as rare as a hat but it doesn't drop as often as weapons. The timer is somewhere in between the two. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 15:38, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::I think the crates have their own drop "schedule" separate from standard items, as I've gotten double-drops with an item + a crate before in the middle of gameplay, and I got a crate about 2 minutes after getting an item once. I've also gotten crates completely by themselves with no items shortly before or after. They're slightly less frequent than item drops, but still fairly common. My experience has been ~1 crate for every 6 to 10 items, or 1 or 2 crates per week. [[User:Will-T|Will-T]] 21:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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::::I've also noticed this.  I've seen double drops with Crates, Name Tags and Description Tags.  I would hazard a guess that there are two drop timers.  One for weapons/hats, one for tools.  Maybe the hats are separate too?  I think this discussion should move over to the [[Item Drop System]] page.  I'll start discussion there on this topic. [[User:Iloverice|Iloverice]] 23:55, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Drop rate table ==
 
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Would it be possible to have in this section of the talk page a freely editable drop rate table based on what users get in the crate? For example, this is the data I have so far:
 
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{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 90%; text-align: center;"
 
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! Vita-Saw
 
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| 46
 
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| 8.7%
 
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!Gunslinger
 
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| 63
 
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| 12.6%
 
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!Equalizer
 
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| 10%
 
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| 11%
 
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| 10.94%
 
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| 58
 
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| 10.2%
 
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!Name Tag
 
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| 12.6%
 
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!An Extraordinary Abundance of Tinge
 
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| 11.3%
 
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| 10.2%
 
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!Exceedingly Rare Special Item!
 
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<small>* Odds accurate as of 11:56PM UTC October 7.</small>
 
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Sorry for making possibly the world's worst looking table but I wanted to make sure to post this so I didn't forget. [[User:Binerexis|Binerexis]] 22:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:Good idea! Added my Napper's Respite. {{n}}[[User:Smashman|<span class="bur">Smashman</span>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{bur}} 22:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::Will suffer horribly from sampling error. Just saying. -[[User:The Neotank|<font color="#FF8C00">'''The Neotank'''</font>]]&nbsp;({{mod}}<small> | [[User talk:The Neotank|Talk]]</small>) [[File:User The Neotank Signeotank.jpg]] 23:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:I can add a bit more anecdotal data, if that'll help:  2 Vita-Saw, 3 Scottish Resistance, 1 Gunslinger, 4 Napper's Respite, 2 Old Guadalajara, 2 Name Tag, 2 Distinct Lack of Hue. [[User:RukiTanuki|RukiTanuki]] 06:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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If someone could add a 'total' row and work out the percentage drop rate for the data collected so far (maybe make the table look better while they're at it) then I would be very, very grateful. Would do it myself but just sneaking a peak at work. [[User:Binerexis|Binerexis]] 12:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::Jeez Bin, you should work on your Wiki ninja editing skills more :P
 
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:::Added my black paint. I'll open my other crate later and improve the table in a bit. '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 13:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::Added data for 67 unboxings that have occurred on my servers since saturday, 67 unboxed out of a total of 271 dropped (8% of drops, the highest amount out of any item).--[[User:Geit|Geit]] 22:27, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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added my white paint drop [[User:RiVenoX|RiVenoX]] 02:23, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::::Old Guadalajara in my second crate, added odds for the moment. Probably don't need to update them every time you add something, maybe every 20 or so added, recalculate. '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 04:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::::Just got a vita- saw, didn't fix up the odds yet, just changed the vitasaw and total count
 
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::::::Added the items I've got from my 3 crates so far: Scottish Resistance, Scottish Resistance, Old Guadalajara--[[User:KefkaticFanatic|KefkaticFanatic]] 01:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::::::Added the items I got last night. 2 Scottish Resistance. (rage) -- [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 02:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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Added an Equaliser an unlucky friend of mine got and re-did the odds. [[User:Binerexis|Binerexis]] 11:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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: I've added 29 items opened by someone I saw at reddit. The video proof and link is [http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/dne46/watch_some_guy_open_30_crates_in_a_row/ here]. -- [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 08:16, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::New data added from http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1483294 --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 01:32, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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Are these statistics taken from my thread on the Steam forums?  [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1483294] --[[User:Toahpt|Toahpt]]
 
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:I don't think they were until Firestorm may have added them though. '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 02:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::I've put together a Google Docs Spreadsheet based on the data in Toahpt's Steam forums thread.  You can find it here: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Al0wGfkwkDDydHB2RzI0TXh3QTI1SXY0Y0Q3R0hWRVE&hl=en&authkey=CMj2p8QE  It includes a breakdown by the item as well as their respective type.  Comments and suggestions are welcome here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1496714 [[User:Schmoe|Schmoe]] 21:45, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::That's a pretty good idea actually. It'd be a good idea to maybe start adding more alternate sources other than SPUF and YouTube to that sheet, although I'm not sure if we can use data on this page unless it's sanitized, given that I think data already from the SPUF thread has been added. Nonetheless, I'll see what I can dig up and add the data when I get the chance. '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 04:20, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::: I try to verify unusual drops based on the SPUF poster's steam community page and tf2items.com.  If I can't verify the item I will either add the drop to the Data tab with a comment or ignore the poster if the odds of dropping the item are out of line with what the statistics show.  So far I haven't seen a lot of trolling. [[User:Schmoe|Schmoe]] 15:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::::: We can also add another set of worksheets to the spreadsheet that would only include youtube sources, however I think the dataset would be a lot smaller though 100% verifiable.  So far my spreadsheet doesn't fall far off mark, but it would be interesting to compare them. [[User:Schmoe|Schmoe]] 16:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::::: I still continue to add more to my OP of the thread.  I don't have as many sample crates of series 1 as the spreadsheet, but I have more samples of 3, 4, and 5.  Just thought I should let everyone know.  http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1483294 --[[User:Toahpt|Toahpt]]
 
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:Added new rows from crate series 2 and data from the past couple of days on my servers--23:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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If this drop table is added to the main page, I believe it should be simplified to Weapons, Hats, Tools, and Unusual Hats.  Just a thought, though. --[[User:Toahpt|Toahpt]]
 
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:With the addition of the Series 2 crate, the table should be changed to reflect that if we assume that the drop rate is the same in every crate (which seems to be a fairly safe solution). The alternative would be to have a Series 1 table and a Series 2 table. The data from both of them (as in specific items) should NOT be on the same table as the percent chances will not be reflective of individual crates but rather if all items available had a chance of coming from every crate dropped. [[User:Binerexis|Binerexis]] 13:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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The new drop rate table only takes into account server logs?  What methodology did you use to separate rare Series 1 and Series 2 drops?  All in all it falls in line with the stats collected by the steam forum pages, but I think it assumes that rare drops are equally likely to occur in either series. Actually it looks like the SPUF posters must have overstated their Series 2 hat drops which falls in line with my expectations of human behavior.  For example a user that opened 5 crates could have reported only one of the crates which the user was proud of.  Same goes for rare items which is why I added another column for verified drops.  Maybe I should extend it to more than just rare drops. [[User:Schmoe|Schmoe]] 16:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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: I dug up Luigi30's SPUF post regarding this data.  He was unable to account for how rare items dropped according to series. Could be minor, but it makes a large assumption.  I've added a note regarding rare items to the drop rate table section.  http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17708725&postcount=866
 
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:: I have no way to determine which series crate a rare item dropped from within the TF2 framework. I've emailed Robin about this but haven't gotten a response. :( [[User:LuigiThirty|LuigiThirty]] 02:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:: Also added a note regarding the assumption that crates drop uniformly across all series.  In other words are series #1 dropping less often than #2?  Does the server logs account for this? [[User:Schmoe|Schmoe]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::Series 1 crates are more a little more common in my log than series 2 since they were introduced (it's a 54/46 split), but that could be accounted for by them existing 6 days prior to the introduction of Series 2. An equal chance for each one is likely. [[User:LuigiThirty|LuigiThirty]] 02:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Does series 1 still drop? ==
 
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Does series 1 still drop? -[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] 01:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:I just found one, but it seemed like it just hadn't propagated into my backpack correctly until I did a trade. Can somebody else confirm? --[[User:Qpingu|Qpingu]] 00:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::Series 1 still drops. Not sure if this is a bug or if it is intentional. --[[User:Qpingu|Qpingu]] 00:27, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:I have received series 1 crate today via the drop system[[User:Nooch|Nooch]] 04:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::[http://www.tf2items.com/id/noochman9?time=1286856089 Series 1 Crate]
 
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:I received both crates 4 and 5.  I'm guessing someone messed up the wiki.
 
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==Uncrate/Unbox==
 
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Whenever I open a crate and then return to the game, the chat reads 'has unboxed', not 'has uncrated' as stated on this page. Is uncrated even a word?--[[User:Focusknock|Focusknock]] 08:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:It should be "unboxed", uncrated is probably a mistranslation. --[[User:Banished one|Banished one]] 19:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::The yellow text in the introduction is very ugly to read on a white background. Apparently the Font Color template doesn't work on the TF2 wiki. (at least, according to it failing on me) --[[User:AileTheAlien | AileTheAlien]] 21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Crate drops use a different distribution system ==
 
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"Dropped crates do not count as part of the weekly drop cap, but are instead part of a different distribution system." Is there a source or reasoning for this?--[[User:Mechlord|Mechlord]] 00:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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-I believe there was an email from Robin regarding this, in which he stated it was on a different drop system, so those who rely on drops for items weren't left in the cold. [[User:Zombie James|Zombie James]] 16:37, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:I would love to see a link to this email. It'll be informative and a good addition to the wiki. [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 02:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:Poking through the history, this was removed as "unsourced" by editor Binerexis on October 12, 2010.  So yes, it would be nice if this could be confirmed, but as is, the article doesn't mention it at all. --[[User:Itsatrap|Itsatrap]] 19:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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::Only took me about an hour of searching, but I found the [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1466323 thread] and the [http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1910/emailb.jpg e-mail] in question. -- [[User:Comrade Mike|Comrade Mike]] 23:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::I've added the reference to the Item Drop System article. [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 05:30, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Doesn't this seem a bit odd? ==
 
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It seems a bit odd that in Series #1, the two hats are the most commonly gained items, when hats are normally rare via the drop system... [[User:AbeX300|AbeX300]] 04:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:Based on the data in the table above, it does seem that the new hats drop at a fair rate but the data isn't from the entire population of TF2 or even from a representative sample, it's just from people who have very kindly submitted their data. The more people we can get to submit data, the better. [[User:Binerexis|Binerexis]] 13:13, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:Well, you also have less chance to get semi-rare items like paint cans or the name tag. I think these values are just the result of Valve's first attempt with crates. [[User:Ercho|Ercho]] 15:13, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Crates can drop crates? ==
 
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See [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1499362 SPUF thread].  The only report I've come across.  Any confirmation?-[[User:RJackson|<span style="background-color:#FF0000;color:white;font-size:0.7em;padding: 0 2px;">RJ</span>]]{{mod}} 12:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:No crate has ever dropped a crate on my server. [[User:LuigiThirty|LuigiThirty]] 01:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:No proof and no updates in a while (or new threads with the same).Seems it's only a rumor. [[User:Ercho|Ercho]] 15:10, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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Please edit this table for any Crate Series 2 results you get. If it turns out that the odds in this table are similar to that in the Series 1 crates then we'll merge the data together to get percent chances of Weapon, Hat, Paint, Action Item and Unusual Hat. [[User:Binerexis|Binerexis]] 13:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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Have there been any yet? [[User:Scatmanjohn|Scatmanjohn]] 14:21, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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: No --[[User:Firestorm|<span style="text-shadow:orange 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}}</span> 14:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::You need me to open one and see what I get? :) [[User:Über spycrab|Über Spycrab]] 23:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::Even if no one asked, I opened a #4 and got a whoopee cap. Add that to your chart on the page if you like.  [[User:Über spycrab|Über Spycrab]] 19:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Drop rates and their factuality... ==
 
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I really don't think we should rely on community feedback for the drop rates of items in crates. I just think a) the sample sizes are way too small to run a proper statistical analysis on, and b) it's too easily manipulated. I'd like to have a discussion on it, but '''my proposal is to disregard these unofficial statistics completely, as wiki editors'''. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|t]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|c]])</sup> 03:31, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:I added stats based on logs directly from my server (with a 5000+ crate sample size) and plugged them instead. The numbers look a lot more consistent now. [[User:LuigiThirty|LuigiThirty]] 01:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Steam users crate reports ==
 
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I've been comparing the data collected in the Steampowered thread compared to my server's logs and I've noticed that in the series 1 crates, the Vita-Saw seems to be underrepresented while Old Guadalajara and Napper's Respite seem to be overrepresented. This may be a consequence of people not wanting to say they got a Vita-Saw but bragging that they got hats. [[User:LuigiThirty|LuigiThirty]] 04:19, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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:I thought exactly that. Somewhat similar with the Unusual reports too. The initial numbers were at 2.5% for the series 1 and 1.5% for the Series 2. I have to say I think trading server statistics seem somewhat reliable for the purposes of estimating drop rate. [[User:Lemon|Lemon]] 00:28, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Series 3,4,5 crate statistics ==
 
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Their sample size is extremely small, to the point where they're statistically unsound and useless. I'm going to remove them until [[User:LuigiThirty]], or anyone else, has more reliable data. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 17:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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::I have slightly reliable data at the moment.  Most people tell me that the samples aren't accurate because people only tell me what they got if it was bad or if it was good.  Considering people do both, I'd say it's fairly accurate. --[[User:Toahpt|Toahpt]]
 
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:::Will there be actual statistics of these crates in the near future? [[User:M-NINJA|M-NINJA]] 11:52, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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::::The numbers are hard to derive because of items duplicated between crate series, but a reasonable estimate can be gotten with what's available. I'll have something up tomorrow. [[User:LuigiThirty|LuigiThirty]] 08:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::::Added. [[User:LuigiThirty|LuigiThirty]] 20:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Multiple crate series for a single crate? ==
 
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Over on TF2Items.net it will sometimes list a crate in someone's backpack as being from 2 "series," with "Crate series #X" on one line and "Crate Series #Y" on a second line below that. So it could say "Crate Series #5, Crate Series #1." Usually both lines will be the same number, but still, I've seen a significant number of crates with two different numbers on them. What does this mean? Is it just a glitch with TF2Items.net? I know that crates are never listed as being from more than 1 series in-game. [[User:Will-T|Will-T]] 19:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Timing bug ==
 
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When I was opening a series 2 crate I got disconected from the server and the countdown whent up to 500! anyone else has had the same problem?
 
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--[[User:Warudragon|Warudragon]] 22:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Unusual drop rate ==
 
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So I've gotten around to calculating the actual unusual unboxing rate universally and it's 0.7042%, but I can't split that up into crate series since I don't know what crates had what inside, just that those items appeared. I do know that the rate has held constant since I started tracking the data on October 14. I'm not sure how to add this in there. [[User:LuigiThirty|LuigiThirty]] 08:27, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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:How big was the sample? I guessed it would be 1%... [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 08:28, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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::7687 crates, 54 of which contained unusuals. [[User:LuigiThirty|LuigiThirty]] 18:58, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Template Update ==
 
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Is the template [[:Template:Update]] really still necessary? By now crates have been pretty well known. Granted, the drop rates themselves are still not certain, but they'll probably never be. --[[User:CruelCow|CruelCow]] {{sta}} <sup>([[User_talk:CruelCow|talk]])</sup> 23:01, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Percentage ==
 
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I think we should remove "%" in the table cells because the headers already indicate the unit between brackets (Drop rate (%), Estimated drop rate (%)) and it overloads the page. --[[User:Giraf|Giraf]] 11:50, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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:Agreed & done. --[[User:CruelCow|CruelCow]] {{sta}} <sup>([[User_talk:CruelCow|talk]])</sup> 23:45, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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:: Looks like someone didn't agree... [[User:Schmoe|Schmoe]] 13:47, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::Apparently so... I completely agree with this idea though, as it's standard formatting for spreadsheets to have the unit (in this case %) in the column header, so that the symbol doesn't need to be repeated. [[User:Ninjaa003|Ninjaa003]] 09:42, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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== December 10th Update ==
 
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Any news on what the new crates contain? Also, hate to be the speculator here, but I have the feeling that at least series 3 and 4 have been retired. Of course, no proof yet, so don't get edit-happy. [[User:Sage J. Fox|Sage J. Fox]] 02:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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:What the crates contain is up.  Now just to determine the percentages. [[User:Ssssssmokin|Ssssssmokin]] 03:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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::I've had barely 50 of each series opened so far, not enough to get any meaningful data. [[User:LuigiThirty|LuigiThirty]] 17:55, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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::: I've updated the Festive Winter Crate drop rates and removed Prancer's Price as it doesn't appear to be a normal drop.  It's possible that it's counted as rare item. [[User:Schmoe|Schmoe]] 13:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Collapsible Tables ==
 
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Series 1 is buggy collapsed. Also any way to make active series already open? And inactive ofc, closed? - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 23:13, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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:They should be fixed now thanks to Windpower. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 23:47, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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:: Looks like when the header text wraps, the table will not show all the items after being re-expanded.  This is reproducible in Chrome.[[User:Schmoe|Schmoe]] 13:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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::: Well it was reproducing... but it doesn't appear to be an issue now. [[User:Schmoe|Schmoe]] 13:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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==When Crate Item is determined==
 
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Ok, I was wondering when the item inside a crate was determined (after giving away a crate that yielded an unusual) so I emailed Robin Walker. He explained to me that the item inside a crate is actually determined when you open the crate, so it wouldn't contain anything until you apply a key to it, then the game rolls the dice. Those aren't his exact words, but I have uploaded an image of the email here. http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/File:Robin_Crate_Answer.jpg --[[User:Palehorse864|Palehorse864]] 11:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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:This is unsurprising. -- http://dl.dropbox.com/u/845393/mek.png [[User:Mechlord|Mechlord]] 11:23, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Unusual Hat drop type ==
 
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Are unusual hat uncrates restricted to the kinds of hats a particular crate series can drop, or can any kind of unusual hat pop out from any kind of crate? Got my first unusual from a festive crate and it was a Gonzila, just like the proper normal hat drop from the crate. -[[User:Object404|Object404]] 02:26, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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:They're not tied usually, because there are plenty of unusual hats around that aren't crate hats. The Festive crates are a special case it seems. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 02:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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:: Good logic. Thanks! -[[User:Object404|Object404]] 07:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Re: Festive Winter Crate Expiration Results ==
 
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I definitely confirm that my festive winter crates were replaced by random weapons (I had just logged into the Mann Co Store before logging out of the game, so I would have been alerted about all item drops already). Upon my next login, I was puzzled as I was immediately greeted by three new random weapon drops. My backpack was then missing my three winter crates. I hung around a trade server and asked people about their crates and we saw them change/vanish in realtime as we were all from different timezones. One guy in the server had 11 winter crates and they were all replaced by series 1-5 crates upon rollover with him. How about with you guys? -[[User:Object404|Object404]] 02:47, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 
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:i kinda want to check this out, i have currently 3 festive crates in my backpack. i'll be right back! -= [[User:M-NINJA|<font color="Blue">'''M-NINJA'''</font>]] [[File:Burger_Gib.png|24px|link=User_talk:M-NINJA]] =- 02:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 
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:well my crates only disappeared. i got nothing. so in other words, they expired. -= [[User:M-NINJA|<font color="Blue">'''M-NINJA'''</font>]] [[File:Burger_Gib.png|24px|link=User_talk:M-NINJA]] =- 04:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 
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::So far, seems to be what I've heard from friends. Just expired, nothing replaced it. [[User:NihonTiger|NihonTiger]] 05:06, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Same here.  Had 4 winter crates, they were removed, and nothing replaced them. -- [[User:CptObvious|CptObvious]] 19:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::Can anyone else confirm they received items when the crates expired? I received nothing as well. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 19:16, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::: 3 accounts, 8 WCs deleted in total, nothing in return. Nigga stole my bike. [[User:Real alien|Real alien]] 19:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::::I think this was all coincidental. i go to a server that has the drop all screwed up. i have to visit the store or leave to get my items. Maybe something similar occurred. -= [[User:M-NINJA|<font color="Blue">'''M-NINJA'''</font>]] [[File:Burger_Gib.png|24px|link=User_talk:M-NINJA]] =- 19:20, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::::I think so too.  I can doubly confirm that nothing was returned.  My younger sibling (who only occasionally plays) had 2 winter crates in her inventory.  I just checked hers, and there is nothing in return for them.  I think we can bust this as a coincidence, not fact. -- [[User:CptObvious|CptObvious]] 19:27, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::::::I had 2 festive crates and i didn't get anything when they expired. [[User:Turtlebolt|Turtlebolt]] 07:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 
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==Crate with highest Unusual drop rate==
 
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Do we have any definitive results proving series #1 has the highest Unusual drop rate? Keys are expensive so i am sure we would all like to maximize our chances. Also,the festive crates seemed to have a high drop rate as well. [[User:Turtlebolt|Turtlebolt]] 05:18, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 
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:No, the data seems to suggest the chances are the same for all series. It's a myth series 1 has a higher drop rate. The Festive crate does seem to have a higher chance, though I'm not too sure about the data. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 05:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 
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Is there a data sheet separated by series on this internets?? People pay so much more for series 1 crates, lol [[User:Turtlebolt|Turtlebolt]] 09:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 
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== Festival Crates ==
 
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Were all the non-pseudo item set hats that came out during the Australian Christmas update design to be uncrateable with the festival crates? I don't see Prancer's Pride listed among the mess and want to see if it was intended or just really bad luck for anyone trying to get it this way.
 
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[[User:BASEBALLFURIES|BASEBALLFURIES]] 20:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 
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== Remove that Minecraft trivia ==
 
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It doesn't fit on the article, because it has nothing to do specifically with crates. It is a parody of TF2, and I'm sure there's some silly article for that sort of thing. That bit of trivia is entirely about Minecraft, and this is not a Minecraft wiki. I know a number of people are big fans of Minecraft, but that doesn't make it any more related. If we mention it on this page, then we may as well mention that one VG Cats comic as well. You know the one. [[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 20:09, 28 June 2011 (PDT)
 
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:I disagree, the chests and the fake functionality are a direct reference to the crates and I think it's an interesting tidbit. [[File:Building_icon_Metal.png|16px|link=User_talk:Mar]] '''[[User:Mar|Mar]]''' 20:13, 28 June 2011 (PDT)
 
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:: Yeah, but so are the chests in that comic. How about the Team Captain in that F@nboy$ from last week, that's a direct reference. Add that to the Team Captain article? [[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 20:29, 28 June 2011 (PDT)
 
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{{c|support}} this isn't Minecraft people. '''<span style="font-family:aharoni; font-size:110%; font-style:italic;">[[File:RED Überneedle.png|42px|link=User:Lexar]] - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User:Lexar|Lexar]]</span> - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User talk:Lexar|talk]]</span></span>''' 20:31, 28 June 2011 (PDT)
 
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{{c|support}} You know how a years ago this wiki was filled with mundane trivia? This is one of those. Except it's even more unrelated. --[[User:TheJohns|TheJohns]] 10:44, 1 July 2011 (PDT)
 
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== Cooler Box ==
 
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It's still can't open with normal keys. But how about Stocking Stuffer Key? [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:33, 29 June 2011 (PDT)
 
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:Ah, yes, forgot to type it here. Tested, no option to unbox the cooler. [[User:Kreafan|kreafan]] 16:23, 29 June 2011 (PDT)
 
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::It expires July 11th, Valve may release the unreleased item sets seen in the Free to Play trailer on July 4th, since that's Independence Day, as well as putting the key for the Cooler in the store for the same price as a regular key (just like the Festive Key was, right?), makes sense, doesn't it? [[User:Masterlegodude|Masterlegodude]] 07:13, 30 June 2011 (PDT)
 
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:Keys are out, lets start getting some data on what come out of the crates! [[User:Bujeebus|Massive Mountain of Hat]] 11:05, 1 July 2011 (PDT)
 
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http://i.imgur.com/jYu5R.png
 
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http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/558661128543277136/260DD4E864A0054390EA24650937A5BEE69184E9/
 
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http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/594689925559043543/337BDC76B1075A88FE991C00F677192896E7A1B8/
 
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::Where are you guys compiling data for the summer cooler drop rates? So far I've gotten: 2 Steel Jaw (heavy), Nine Iron (demo), and Postal Pummeler (pyro)[http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/541772629962523651/9769EF9C67B3B5FB1CC70332AFB1793E3570A4D8/]. [[User:Stupid mcgee|Stupid mcgee]] 10:57, 2 July 2011 (PDT)
 
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*Just wondering, are there any unusuals in the cooler? [[User:Thespy|Thespy]] 14:56, 9 July 2011 (PDT)
 
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:Yes I got my Unusual Hustlers Hallmark (Purple Energy) from it [[User:Kwank3r|Kwank3r]]
 
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== Someone still has a Summer Cooler... ==
 
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[http://optf2.com/item/348336006?pid=242109 Just saw this.] Apparently this guys Summer Cooler wasn't removed. What gives? [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 20:47, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
 
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:Is he played tf2 after summer update? [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 10:19, 25 July 2011 (PDT)
 
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:: I actually had a tradable crate for about 12 hours after the update.  The crate did not say that it was going to expire after that.  However it was deleted.  Their other crates out there (I've found 3 so far) and they no longer have the expire by part on them.  So a few users lost items trading for these crates in hopes they would become collectables. [deleted dupe info and link] [[User:Erikerikerik|Erikerikerik]] 12:04, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
 
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::: More information on TF2TP.com you actually need the item in your backpack in order to trade it.  And the timing on this trade shows this person had it http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=2362078[[User:Erikerikerik|Erikerikerik]] 12:31, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
 
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:::: Just so you know, Erikerikerik, this link you posted: [http://optf2.com/item/348336006?pid=242109 http://optf2.com/item/348336006?pid=242109], is the exact same link to the exact same guy's backpack, that I posted above. Click "Just saw this.". [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 13:36, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
 
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== Converted to Template ==
 
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I took the time, with some extra help from EpicEric, to convert the crate tables into clean and clear template. It currently can hold up to 25 items along with the ability of translation switching. Its very easy to use and edit in my opinion. [[User:M-NINJA/Projects/Template:Crates|Here is a link to the project.]] So gather your opinions and tell them to me; shall we use it? [[File:User_M-NINJA_Signature.png|link=User:M-NINJA]] 18:38, 8 August 2011 (PDT)
 
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::{{c|yes|Hell yeah}} - Dude, you kick so much ass. Use that template! [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 20:12, 8 August 2011 (PDT)
 
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:Alright! Got some excellent feedback from 404 :D    Also! Because I have the attention span to do so, [[User:M-NINJA/Projects/Crates_Test|I converted ALL the crate tables to use the template.]] [[File:User_M-NINJA_Signature.png|link=User:M-NINJA]] 18:31, 11 August 2011 (PDT)
 
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::Template make easier to add many more new series crate. Then keep do this project :D. [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 20:24, 11 August 2011 (PDT)
 
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:::I like dis new weapon. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 20:32, 11 August 2011 (PDT)
 
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== Stock Items Drops From Crates ==
 
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How often do stock items drop from the new crate series 23 to 28? I've received a fair few of those crates now and I would like to get rid of them; however, I don't want to waste money for a key if chances of getting a stock item are high. [[User:Fish Ninja|Fish Ninja]] 05:15, 20 August 2011 (PDT)
 
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:Any stock items found in a crate will be Strange quality, so it's hardly a waste. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 10:04, 5 September 2011 (PDT)
 
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== Crates #23- 25 ==
 
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When did they stop dropping?[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 09:16, 5 September 2011 (PDT)
 
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==#29==
 
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What the feck is the Question Mark for? --[[File:Scout_Decal_Black.png|35px]] [[User:ScoutKast|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:black ">ScoutKast</span>]] 17:42, 20 September 2011 (PDT)
 
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{{discussion close}}
 
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==VOTE: Should crates be listed in reverse chronological order?==
 
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I vote yes because I feel that it would be most useful to Wiki viewers if the crates were listed in reverse chronological order (30, 29, 28, 27, ...) rather than in chronological order (1, 2, 3, 4, ...) as they are now. This is primarily because most users are likely to be much more interested in what was in the more recent, active crates than the early renditions. - [[User:Kanosea|Kanosea]] 20:04, 13 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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:Perhaps the "Retired series" and "Active series" sections should just be switched around, so that the "Active series" are on top.  This seems simpler than reversing the entire order. [[User:OldManJenkins|OldManJenkins]] 20:16, 13 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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::{{c|Oppose}} Chronological order is how most (I say most incase of ''that one'' item that isn't) things are organized. E.g. Update History. I do understand what you are saying so if it were to satisfy, why don't we place active crates at the top of the page. (Stupid Edit conflicts) [[File:User_M-NINJA_Signature.png|link=User:M-NINJA]] 20:17, 13 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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:::I like that. I think we should move the active series to the forefront of the page (and list it redundantly at the end if people want). I see no reason why this would hurt anything. - [[User:Kanosea|Kanosea]] 20:21, 13 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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:::{{c|Support}} putting Active Series first but otherwise keeping chronological order. --[[File:Building_icon_Metal.png|16px|link=User_talk:Mar]] '''[[User:Mar|Mar]]''' 20:28, 13 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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::{{c|Support}} I think whatever order we put the sections in, it should be sequential. Either Active Series first in reverse chronological order (31-26, then 25-1), or Active Series last in forward chronological order (1-25, then 26-31).
 
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::{{c|Support}} It makes much more sense to have them in reverse, from newest to oldest. '''[[User:404 User Not Found|404: User Not Found]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404_User_Not_Found|(talk)]]</sup> 17:07, 16 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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::{{c|Oppose}}Chronological order makes more sense and is consistent with the rest of the wiki's organization regarding timeline. {{n}} [[User:Cructo|{{tf2b|text=Cructo|size=15px}}]] <span style="font-size:10px"><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User_talk:Cructo|T]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/Cructo|C]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></span> 17:09, 16 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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:::{{c|Comment}} Uh, why are we still voting on this? The article has already been switched to reverse chronological, and it's been split into Active/Retired. I think this vote is pretty much over and should be archived. I'm gonna archive it for now, but if someone feels the discussion should continue for whatever reason, go ahead and unarchive it. I don't mind =P '''[[User:404 User Not Found|404: User Not Found]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404_User_Not_Found|(talk)]]</sup> 17:14, 16 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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== Salvaged #30 ==
 
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http://i.imgur.com/V1Bdm.png
 
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:Already added that +) '''[[User:GordonFrohman|<span style="color:#32CD32;font-size:15px;font-family:'TF2 Build';text-shadow:#000000 1px 1px 0px;">Limie Pie</span>]]''' [[Image:Painted Sign of the Wolf's School 32CD32.png|25px|link=User:GordonFrohman]] 23:42, 13 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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:How can a crate containing only weapons have an exccedingly rare special item? Unusual weapons? What?
 
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:[[User:Jojo2342|Jojo2342]] 23:48, 16 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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: Like EVERY other crate, it's an unusual hat.  How you couldn't put this together on your own is beyond me.  Have you never, ever, looked at the desc of any other crate, ever? [[User:SS2R|SS2R]] 23:54, 16 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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== Salvaged 30 does not drop anymore. ==
 
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Have YOU seen any drop in the last day? I'm pretty sure they aren't coming anymore. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Yoshiboshi3|Yoshiboshi3]]''' ([[User talk:Yoshiboshi3|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Yoshiboshi3|contribs]]) </small>
 
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:They are probably rarer than hat drops. So don't expect to see them dropping. Or how many hat drops do you actually witness in a 3 days? --[[User:Picard|Picard]] <sup>[[User talk:Picard|talk]]</sup> 10:04, 16 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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:: What kind of logic is this?  I don't see it, therefore it doesn't exist?  Spare me. [[User:SS2R|SS2R]] 10:05, 16 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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:::There are not so much #30, as tf2stats says: [http://tf2stats.net/item/Salvaged+Mann+Co.+Supply+Crate/5068/ 101 crates].[[User:Kreafan|kreafan]] 16:54, 16 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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::::: I can confirm [http://www.tf2items.com/id/noochuno Crate#30] dropped on Tuesday October 19th.  There have been 1509 drops in NoochLand post Manniversary update and only 1 Salvaged Mann Co. Supply Crate during those drops. [[User:Nooch|Nooch]] 12:39, 19 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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:::::: I can confirm [http://www.tf2b.com/item/76561197985483153/735225852 Crate#30] dropped on Saturday March 3rd 2012.  [[User:RagingRoosevelt|RagingRoosevelt]]  18:24, 2012-03-05
 
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:::::::  I just got one yesterday. [http://www.tf2items.com/id/NiKrstic] Go to page 2. Profit.  [[User:NikolaiKrstic|NikolaiKrstic]]  19:39, 2012-03-09
 
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== Did s28 stop drop before s26? ==
 
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I saw patch note include s26 and s28 stop drop but did s28 stop drop before s26? [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 07:28, 21 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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::Yes. s28 was replaced by s29.  and s26 was replaced by s31.  at the moment s27, s29, and s31 are still dropping. [[User:Nooch|Nooch]] 10:56, 21 October 2011 (PDT)
 
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== Festive Winter Crate 2010 ==
 
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Just noticed there's a hat missing from the Christmas Crate list, do I just add it in listed with a 2% rate like all the other hats?
 
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[[User:DarkQuill|DarkQuill]] 04:10, 6 November 2011 (PST)
 
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:Not quite - the total of the percentages must always add up to 100%. Which hat is missing? '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 15:42, 6 November 2011 (PST)
 
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Fair enough. Industrial Festivizer is missng - I know specifically 'cause that's the one I unboxed with my free key :p [[User:DarkQuill|DarkQuill]] 00:31, 7 November 2011 (PST)
 
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== link to crate simulator ==
 
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I'm not sure on the policy of external links on this wiki, but I was wondering whether it would be helpful or informative to have a link to my [http://www.kongregate.com/games/stripedypaper/tf2-crate-sim flash crate simulator] somewhere on this page.
 
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[[User:Stripedy|Stripedy]] 11:42, 16 November 2011 (PST)
 
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:That's a pretty spectacular simulator ya got there, and I'd certainly like to see it on the page, but I don't really see how it would fit with the encyclopedic nature of the wiki. <br>'''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 12:21, 16 November 2011 (PST)
 
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== Uncrated items have a trade timer? ==
 
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I got some keys from the Mann Co. store yesterday and uncrated a s. Degreaser. I don't usually actively use it, so I thought I could trade it away, But apparently there is a trading timer, which is set to the same timer as keys, 3 days. Since when was this added?
 
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[[User:Koalster|Koalster]] 05:49, 19 November 2011 (PST)
 
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== Proof of existence of Series #34 ==
 
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Here's what I found in '''items_game.txt''':
 
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"kill_eater_set_mixed_e" "1"
 
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"Hard Counter" "1"
 
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"Western Wear" "1"
 
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<code>"kill_eater_set_mixed_e"
 
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{
 
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"The Reserve Shooter" "1"
 
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"The Atomizer" "1"
 
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"The Southern Hospitality" "1"
 
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"The Scottish Resistance" "1"
 
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So yeah, turns out I was wrong, and #34 has been coded in, but I'm unsure as to whether or not it's currently being dropped. '''[[User:404 User Not Found|404: User Not Found]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404_User_Not_Found|(talk)]]</sup> 18:25, 1 December 2011 (PST)
 
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== s30 no longer drop? ==
 
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I saw someone edit that s30 no longer drop. Is it true? [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] [[File:Killicon_unarmed_combat.png]] 19:53, 1 December 2011 (PST)
 
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* Series 30 is a very rare drop, rarer than hats  [[User:Thespy|Thespy]] 12:28, 10 December 2011 (PST)
 
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::Not sure about Crate 30 no longer dropping, but Crate 31 is still up and about. I found one today. [[User:FC Ghost Nappa|FC Ghost Nappa]] 20:58, 1 December 2011 (PST)
 
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:::Today before or after update? [[User:TeotwawK|TeotwawK]] 21:44, 1 December 2011 (PST)
 
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:I can confirm s30 crate dropped in NoochLand on Tuesday December 6th.  So, thats the 6th s30 crate in NoochLand, or 1 s30 crate per week during 6 of the 7 weeks s30 crates have been available.[[User:Nooch|Nooch]] 03:14, 6 December 2011 (PST)
 
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:::90% sure it was after the update. I've only been getting 33's lately but I'll keep my eyes peeled. [[User:FC Ghost Nappa|FC Ghost Nappa]] 22:29, 9 December 2011 (PST)
 
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:I can confirm s30 crate dropped in NoochLand on Sunday December 18th.  So, thats the 7th s30 crate in NoochLand. [http://www.tf2b.com/?id=76561198054063403 Nooch279] is currently a F2P account. [[User:Nooch|Nooch]] 17:08, 18 December 2011 (PST)
 
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I got one about a week ago. It's probably safe to assume they're here to stay for much longer. --[[User:Stevejenny|Stevejenny]] 22:20, 2 March 2012 (PST)
 
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== Naughty/Nice Crates contents ==
 
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Has anyone checked items_game.txt to see if the Naughty/Nice Crates contents have been added? If you're doing searching, try doing a search of the file for the Series 34 crate name ''(which I posted a few topics up)'', then scroll down to see if anything has been added. '''[[User:404 User Not Found|404: User Not Found]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404_User_Not_Found|(talk)]]</sup> 17:21, 9 December 2011 (PST)
 
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: Nothing was added the schema noting the contents. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 17:23, 9 December 2011 (PST)
 
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:: Alrighty then! Thanks for responding Ballad :) '''[[User:404 User Not Found|404: User Not Found]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404_User_Not_Found|(talk)]]</sup> 17:38, 9 December 2011 (PST)
 
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Speaking of the Naughty/Nice Crates, the formatting seems to be a bit wonky on the page.  I'm assuming this'll be fixed once we've got contents listed, but right now there's a big space between Nice and Naughty. -an incoherent rambling by [[User:Iamtehlolrus|<span style="color: #cea042; text-shadow: #bc5110 0px 1px 0px;font-family:TF2 Build;font-size:`00%;">iamtehlolrus</span>]] 21:09, 10 December 2011 (PST)
 
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The 'festiver bat' is not listed. Perhaps there are 10 festiver items and 9% each instead of 9 items and 11% each item or the 'festiver bat' may be the rare item. Also looking for any official word about the strange festiver weapon percentage rate. --[[User:7runks|7runks]] 06:07, 17 December 2011 (PST)
 
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== Trivia about festive keys ==
 
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I saved 2 festive keys from last year, and tried opening a naughty crate with them. They "don't apply to this item" right now. Don't know if people were curious or not.
 
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--[[User:Vercci|Vercci]] 19:46, 12 December 2011 (PST)
 
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Firstly those keys should have been changed into regular keys. [[User:Thespy|Thespy]] 20:27, 15 December 2011 (PST)
 
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== Nice Crate contents ==
 
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I edited Ebenezer and Holiday Headcase out of there because the update page clearly says there are 14 items in the crates, there's no proof of anyone unboxing either yet and both their descriptions state that they were "donated" which makes it sound like they're going to be free somehow (most likely tied to that upcoming "treasure hunt" thing).
 
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: Also I'm kind of bad at counting so some kind soul could edit the percentages to match the amount of items. [[User:Roo|Roo]] 02:42, 17 December 2011 (PST)
 
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[[User:Stripedy|Stripedy]] 16:56, 17 December 2011 (PST)
 
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[[User:Stripedy|Stripedy]] 17:05, 17 December 2011 (PST)
 
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== Do you have to buy the kets just to open the crates? ==
 
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Like really? is ther any alternate way for this by obtaning a random item from a server? [[User:Paulioetc19|Paulioetc19]] 20:01, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
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:Did you read the trivia section? Everything in store has in random drop exept key, pile o gift, secreat saxton, some paint and some hat. [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] [[File:Killicon_unarmed_combat.png]] 22:56, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
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== Identical items from crates ==
 
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Whenever I open crates of the same series one after the other, I always seem to receive the same item drop. For example, a few days ago I opened 3 series 34 crates consecutively and received 3 Strange Atomizers. This has happened to me almost every time I have opened crates. Does this happen to anybody else and if so why does this happen? [[User:G 180397|G 180397]] 12:40, 21 February 2012 (PST)
 
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:You're just unlucky. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 13:08, 21 February 2012 (PST)
 
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:I've received 3 Black Boxes from 3 Series #29 crates but all 4 strange item from 4 Series #27 crates (without any duplicates). --[[User:Askarmuk|Askarmuk]] 14:32, 21 February 2012 (PST)
 
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== Strange Parts ==
 
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Hopefully someone can come up with a better way to add the specific Strange Part types into the crates' drop tables.  I felt it was necessary information but I'm new at this and didn't want to potentially screw up the dictionary by adding a new entry for each variation of the item.  [[User:Cmx|Cmx]] 21:04, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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:An entry per variation in the dictionary probably would be best, redirects can always be set up to the main tool page. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 21:10, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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:Alright, I'll start doing that. [[User:Cmx|Cmx]] 21:30, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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== Crate 30 no longer dropping? ==
 
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The page was edited today to mention that Crate #30 no longer drops, but I've heard no other mention of that, and it wasn't listed in the changes for today's update, undocumented or otherwise. Can anyone confirm that this is true? [[User:Evang7|Evang7]] 00:23, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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: Still in there, It wasn't removed in the schema update so it's still in.--[[User:Drsalvador|Drsalvador]] 04:41, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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:: It's still in the schema because it's got a special icon / name.  So it's stuck there "Forever" &lt;/Pinky Pie&gt;, but that doesn't mean it still drops.  --[[User:Org|Org]] 07:16, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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::: It doesn't look like they removed any crates from the drop system, at least according to the schema. Crate drops are controlled via schema, so we'd know. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 07:21, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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:::: They definitely removed crate 37 and 38. I'm still confused, is crate 30 dropping or is it retired. [[User:Calq|Calq]] 17:20, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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::::: I'm not sure where optf2 gets its schema from, but it disagrees with the items_game.txt currently deployed to srcds servers from the HLDSUpdateTool.  The latest schema deployed there has item index 5068 ("Supply Crate Rare" AKA Salvaged Mann Co. Crate) pointing to crate 40. --[[User:Powerlord|Powerlord]] 18:55, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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:::::: Someone on SPUF just got a 30 about an hour ago and no 40 has been spotted yet. Something wasn't set right and it's causing 30s to drop and 40s to not. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 18:57, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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:::::::I've sent a message to the hlds mailing list, so hopefully the discrepency between the schema and items_game.txt (which is supposed to be generated from the schema) will be sorted out soon. Since they both share the same item definition index, if one is dropping the other isn't. -- [[User:Powerlord|Powerlord]] 19:06, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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::::::::So does this mean that crate 30 is Supposed to be retired, and crate 40 is supposed to drop like a salvaged crate, but crate 30 is dropping instead of crate 40 due to some sort of bug?[[User:Calq|Calq]] 10:21, 24 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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:::::::::We don't know. The schema doesn't define what drops, that's up to the item server. So take what the schema says with a pinch of salt. And afaik the online schema overrides items_game.txt. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 10:26, 24 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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== Crate 40 rarity? ==
 
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I've not seen a single one. I don't even think they're dropping. [[User:Yoshiboshi3|Yoshiboshi3]] 21:09, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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:From the discussion topic above it appears that there is a bug causing crate 30 to drop in place of 40, as they are both marked as salvaged crates in the item schema. [[User:Cmx|Cmx]] 23:08, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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The naming and positioning may be the issue. They might have to remove the 30 from the schema or make an exception to fix it. [[User:7runks|7runks]] 00:22, 24 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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Think this might be good information to add to the page? I mean, lots of people asking for crate 40 with the wiki as their only reference, it would be nice for them to understand it can't drop yet. [[User:Yoshiboshi3|Yoshiboshi3]] 10:20, 24 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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:I think it might be Item server bug. Valve will fix it in Valve time. [[File:Killicon_black_rose.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 10:24, 24 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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:: Kinda funny, as I don't think there are more eagerly anticipated stranges than the ones in that crate: Huntsman, Widowmaker and Sapper, all in one. --[[User:Itsacon|Itsacon]] 23:52, 25 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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::: I think that's sort of the point, it's apparently supposedly going to be a salvaged crate. Meaning valuable. >:D [[User:Calq|Calq]] 12:55, 26 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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== Regarding crate topics above ==
 
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I think it's important to note that the attributes for crate series you see in the schema aren't necessarily representative of the series you will see in a backpack. The drop system can and does attach overriding crate series attributes. This is how early/discontinued crates continue to exist in your backpack. There is indeed an inconsistency in the schemas but the schema itself does not control the series that might drop. I don't know what weight this has on the above discussions but it is something that should be considered when deciding on how you edit the page. Remember that a lot of people trust the wiki's pages as the word of god.
 
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The tracker and OPTF2 itself gets the client schema from the value stored in the same items_game field you see in the tracker files themselves. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 19:42, 24 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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:I believe there was a tf2 update today. Did it fix the crates? [[User:Calq|Calq]] 13:56, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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:I would like to know this too.[[User:Yoshiboshi3|Yoshiboshi3]] 14:10, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
 
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:: According to  this [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/March_28,_2012_Patch], it did. Should the article be updated to reflect that? [[User:Calq|Calq]] 14:56, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
 

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