Talk:Life Extender Machine

I'm not really sure why this page is here. The machine is a plot point, but it doesn't seem notable for its own article, especially when all of the information can be found on Loose Canon, Mann Manor, and Non-player characters. Also, it's orphaned and uncategorized and has incorrect links, grammatical errors, and one edit, the creation of the page. Tabs 23:50, 28 January 2012 (PST)

For those who think that's the Admin with Mrk IV and V...

First off, Prior to the story, its only been 6 months. Even if the admin looked like that, she would not need the LEM. She's only in her 50's - 60's (smoking makes you look older, as to Helen smokes a lot), the LEM is only designed to keep a person alive longer than a human body would sustain, for that the australium powering it is known to have intensive physical enhancements. Helen is still physically able, as you saw her with the heavy trench coat wear in Blood in the Water.

I'm pretty sure it's Emily because she was the one who had convinced Radigan to build the life extending machines. Regardless whether it's Emily or Elizabeth, it is not the current Administrator. The reason of course for building one for Emily remains unknown, but she does have a reason to stay alive, so there's that. Emily also knows about the metric tons of Australium stored away.

Now I'll admit, Emily was and Administrator, but she retired after the TF2 mercenaries came in (I'm assuming). She shouldn't be called the Administrator otherwise it would cause confusion, not to mention the link led to Helen.

An interesting twist could be that Gray Mann is Emily, but that is debatable. Why do I think the two could be the same person? Well, there are only 5 LEM in existence. Blutarch had Mrk. 1, Redmond had Mrk. 2, Gray has Mrk. 3, and Emily has Mrk. 4 and 5. but only the Conagher ancestry knows about the plans and no one knew about Gray or who built the LEMs (debatable) in the story. Now true, Gray could've built it himself, but BLU Engie would not have known about it. The current LEMs for Emily should've been Mrk. III and IV then. Unless Emily and Dell knew about Gray before anyone else, this theory is the most probable at this point (that I could think of), at least until the story progresses and reveals more information. Though Emily and Gray's physical features are much, much different, let us recall the Disguise kit the Spies own.

Hell, it could even be the BLU spy. Dell was the only BLU member to appear in the story so far. But like I've said, until the story reveals more information.

Naverick22 (talk) 07:55, 9 October 2014 (PDT)

First, please understand that Mark in this usage by convention should refer to advances in stages of development or design, not serial number. So, in conventional usage, the first two, if not all three, would be “Mark I”; and that is only speculation that Dell started his Mark designations with those. Yes, Valve or the authors may have intended to use Mark in a non-standard serialization sense, but even so, the count would be wrong.

Second, Naverick22, your count is off, only three have been revealed to have been built by Radigan; only two were on order in 1890. These two were completed in 1894. The third was built in some later year. The count:

• Three LEMs are listed as built by Radigan in Loose Canon.
• Careful observation of page 6 of Blood Brothers reveals that Blutarch and Redmond Mann each have their own “portable” machine; so two LEMs are revealed in Blood Brothers; three if the one Gray’s is wearing is not the third one mentioned in Loose Canon.
• Two are revealed in ''Blood in the Water''.

That makes at least 7 or 8 LEM, depending on how you count Gray’s or the Mark Four; but you cannot count both Gray’s and the Mark Four as the third. Now, at least 5 different basic models have been shown (which if any is Radigan’s third is as yet unknown),

1. Blutarch’s and Redmond’s two 1894 models (maybe the same design, maybe not)
2. Blutarch’s and Redmond’s two recent portable models (maybe the same design, maybe not)
3. Gray’s one back-mounted model
4. The one "Mark Four "
5. The one "Mark Five"

Personally, I think it is speculative to assume that only 7 or 8 LEM ever existed, or to assume that Radigan made the one Gray is wearing in the 1970s, or to assume that only Radigan and Dell are the only ones who could ever make LEM.

Until any published revelation to the contrary, any assignment of Radigan’s “third” LEM to Gray, Elizabeth, Emily, Helen, Lincoln, Radigan, or anybody else is speculation and as such should not be stated as anything approaching fact.

But if mere exposure to Australium imparts longevity, then why would "Emily" request LEMs?

Mikado282 (talk) 22:15, 30 November 2014 (PST)

Re: previous post

I did some more research and here's what I've noticed, a bit late that is. When the Admin came into scene in the first couple of pages of Blood in the water, she had some facial feature similar to that of Emily in page 74. Except fr the chapped lip. If that's the case, this could mean that Helen, Emily, and Elizabeth could all be the same person. Which would the reason for the LEM. The Admin made it clear that she does not condone friendship in the WAR! update. Relationships and affairs then would be let alone. That means she has kept her life extended to as long as the 3 mann brothers. And her eternal love of smoking, which you can see the cigarettes in her first appearance and on page 74.

I'm still not wrong though, it very well could be Emily and Helen on 74.