User talk:Lolimsogreat21

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Please make use of the Show preview button. It gives you a preview of the edit you are making, allowing you to perfect your changes before you save the page. You can edit the whole article by clicking the edit button at the top of the page, which is preferable to editing multiple sections consecutively. - Ashe (talk) 14:08, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Uhh hi...im kinda new here, i dont want to make a new page, I would just like to test out some features and get to know the editing, but uh...thanks for the help :D Also, how did you find me?

Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 17:05, 9 March 2021 (UTC)lolimsogreat21

Please make use of the Show preview button. It gives you a preview of the edit you are making, allowing you to perfect your changes before you save the page. You can edit the whole article by clicking the edit button at the top of the page, which is preferable to editing multiple sections consecutively.
GrampaSwood (talk) 17:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Heyo. In regards to this, please keep in mind that all edits are shown under the Recent changes and posted in our IRC channel in real time. As of right now, you've been cluttering both the Recent changes and IRC with unnecessary edits, which make monitoring difficult for us and leaves out focus on more important edits. By using the Show preview feature, you'll be able to check your edits prior to saving them and should be used as often as possible to minimize redundant edits. If you need help on wiki formatting, then please check out our Help section. Thanks!  Wookipan (talk | contribs) 18:03, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh damm, I didnt know that i've made such a fuss, I mean I was just editing my own page to test out the get along with editing, alrighty then, thanks for warning me, ill making heavily use of the Show preview now that I know that every edit is being ducumented, sorry again and bye :D

Concerning your map strategy page edits

Hello! I've noticed that recently, you've added a lot of information to the "General Strategy" sections of the Community Badwater Basin strategy, Community Gold Rush strategy, and Community Mercenary Park strategy articles. Those sections have been empty, or almost empty, for a long time, so the effort is appreciated, especially with the level of detail you've been going to for each individual section of the maps.

However, instead of ordering each of the points individually, with subsections for the attacking and defending teams, it would be preferable if you could instead list the offense and defense teams as their own sections, with subsections for each point. I've already re-ordered the articles linked above myself, so you don't need to worry about going back to them to change the order, but keep it in mind if you take it upon yourself to write another page for another map.

In addition, and I'm not trying to be mean by saying this, the grammar could use a little bit of improvement. You seem to be using "they're" instead of "their" a lot (e.g, "the Blu team should be pushing out of they're spawn" instead of "the BLU team should be pushing out of their spawn"). Also, keep in mind that the RED and BLU team names are always fully capitalized, instead of just the first letter. Once you are done editing, you should re-read what you've written and correct any errors you've found before you finalize the edit. The "Preview Changes" button can help with this.

Other than those two things, keep up the good work! Editing articles in huge chunks like that can be difficult and time-consuming, so I'm glad to see you're taking the initiative to do it yourself. It's greatly appreciated. HitlineMiamo (talk) 04:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

How to mark for deletion

See template here. -- Lagg 17:45, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 18:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

Featured Articles

Hate to bother you, but have you got a free moment? Why not vote here. Magnesium fiend (talk) 19:41, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay. Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 19:43, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

Thanks Magnesium fiend (talk) 22:51, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Helpful overviews

Hi there,

Please don't upload files with the "2" next to it, but rather just call it "[Map] overview with lines" (Unless you need 2 different images). Please also go see this and this edit, these things should be changed on every map page so far and in the future. Mainly being removing the large amount of whitespace and replacing it with {{clr}}, using the correct forms of you're/your and their/they're/there, as well as replacing the "Helpful overview" with "[[#Helpful overview|Helpful overview]]" to create a link that leads to the section.
GrampaSwood (talk) 18:40, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for notifying me, I didn't know about the {{clr}} option so I just spammed the enter botton until the strategy section got moved far enough below the image, but thanks for the advice :D Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 18:47, 11 April 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

'tis all good, that's why I contacted you :) I think the overview section can be turned into a template as well, but I'll have to see about that.
GrampaSwood (talk) 19:01, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Uh...I've been wondering about this but whats a template? I didn't get the chance to ask this anyone so mind if i ask you.— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lolimsogreat21 (talk) • (contribs) 21:10 CEST 11 April 2021

It's basically a page that contains stuff that's often repeated on pages. The infobox you see on something like Scattergun is a template, for example.

Also I've noticed that you still make the same mistake of using "your" instead of "you're" and not linking the "Helpful overview" bit, please start doing this as the first is basic grammar that's not really excusable to get wrong and the second is just a helpful link. Also don't forget to sign your comments using ~~~~.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:19, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for warning me once again. Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 13:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

There are class match-up pages for strategy, if that's what you're looking for.

For instance, Scout match-ups. Would that make things easier for the huge project that I think you're undertaking? - InShane (talk) 19:59, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

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Ay,thanks! Click to listen — The Lolimsogreat21 thanking InShane

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And yes, this will certainly help in anti-class strategy edits, thank you :D Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 20:05, 24 April 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

Great! Looking through, try to keep things to the point. The article wants to retain the reader, given how there are video guides for practically everything in TF2 now. Your information is 99% correct, but carries on a bit and contains a few grammatical errors. In the past, I drafted my huge revisions in Microsoft Word or a dummy user page. - InShane (talk) 20:15, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I found a page that might interest you. Let's take care not to re-invent the wheel.

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Class_Counters_(Competitive)

As I shuffled through the match-up pages and looked for proper sources, I remembered this page exists. Looking at the latest changes, it was another editor's major project last September. Instead of starting the rest of your versions from scratch, maybe this is the point you're looking for? This is specifically anti-class, rather than class match-ups, and hits up the in-depth competitive counters you're alluding to.

Side note: I don't want to put all 9 tables in a single sandbox. It's tedious to comb through between edits, as I do save every 3 entries or so. Back when we were less stable, it was entirely possible to lose a large editing session. -- InShane (talk) 02:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Hmmm, Im not quit sure what is the point your trying to make with the stating that class counters exist? Are you saying that class-matchups are useless, anti-class strategues are useless, or just that my updates to anti-class strategies are useless.

Anyway, I can see that you've updated the class matchups very, very quickly, like you did it in just two days. I was expecting that this project would drag on for some more time, a week or two atleast. But you did it very fast, good work :D. So, im only planning to take a bit more detailed look at your updates and add some more information which could be useful, not to much information though. And after i've done that....well I guess that we can say that this project is finished, suprisingy quick.

And sorry for putting all the tables in one place, thought that it would be a bit easier to read.

Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 21:08, 17 May 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

It's an observation that the class counters page is closest to how you are approaching each class based on who does well, neutrally, and poorly against them. And uh, yeeees, I entered a trance and updated all the anti-classes to your format last weekend. I lurked through casual and comp forums from up to 5 years back to get a feel of the meta so the entries no longer said, "dodge him and shoot him." -- InShane (talk) 18:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Grammar on strategy pages

You seem to make the same mistakes in a lot of edits. Such as "duo" instead of "due" or "quit" instead of "quite". I'm not sure if you know anyone that's a native English speaker, but it might be best if you have a person spell/grammar check your edits before posting them. Having to monitor every edit you make and then correct these same few mistakes every time will get very tiring.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:36, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Allright, thank you for warning me. I will try and make sure to not do this kinds of mistakes anymore. Sorry for wasting your time.

Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 20:59, 16 June 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

I am gently asking you to plan edits in a sandbox again. I shouldn't have to fix the spelling of words such as "medic" and "off" while trying to blend in your additions. The pages want to look good, not just be informative. That's why I spend my time here making them look decent. -- InShane (talk) 21:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Didn't really think the Sandbox was necessary anymore. I just wanted to add some additions, not rework the entire page.

Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 22:03, 19 June 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

Every major Internet browser has a built-in spell checker for multiple languages. For grammar, read through your entries out loud to force yourself to slow down and understand how awkward some sentences sound. I do this for my job, all written communications, and my wiki work. -- InShane (talk) 00:53, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Regarding "useful weapons."

Some of your additions are good, but others are akin to throwing darts and hoping they hit the target. Let us define "useful weapons" as weapons you would take to actually counterpick the enemy class. This means recommending the Vaccinator only against Scout and Sniper, the pick classes, and not recommending a weapon with a trait that is only coincidentally useful, such as the Gas Passer against the Spy, who the Pyro already terrorizes. -- InShane (talk) 22:51, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Alright then

Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 13:45, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

Where are you getting some of these examples from? Machina bodyshot followed by a single SMG bullet? Read the style guide for what makes decent strategy. -- InShane (talk) 11:12, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

In the Style guide it says that a good strategy can differ from player to player. But ok...now that I think about it, this particular tip is quit dumb and not very useful. Although the Machina is banned in competitive for this very reason.

Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 11:53, 27 June 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

The Machina is banned because the extra damage is overwhelming in coordinated play, particularly concerning the piercing shot against the Medic. Additionally, highly skilled players always scope. -- InShane (talk) 14:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm still not sure whether I like writing in the second person or the thrid

I can be corrected if this has changed, but second person is tolerated on the Community Strategy pages; but I don't have any problem with writing them in third person. Mixing second and third person can be a problem though, so, if the ComStrat is all in second, I add to it in second. However when Strategy is in the main article, it should be all in third person. M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 03:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, the second person is tolerated in the strategy pages. I was just experimenting how would it sound better. For now, I would like to split the map strategy pages in to two persons. The general strategy would be in the third, and the class specific's would be more personal and focused on the second person. How does that sound?

Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 08:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

I haven't looked yet. It will have to do with style. I will try to take a look at your sandbox version (remind me/add me if you want).

Please use colons to indent your signatures under replies.

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 03:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Using the Map overview template publicly while in experimental state

Hi,

Apologies if this comes off a bit harsh, but I deliberately said that, and I quote, "It is currently in my user space, and I've yet to do some more testing and improve the documentation before I'd consider it fully ready for public usage..." - yet you completely disregarded that and started to add it into mainspace articles, which you already know are public and live. You should also never link to user content in mainspace articles; user content is reserved to user space only. I'm honestly surprised none of the other staff had stopped you.

Point is: it was not ready for public use and is still in an experimental state. Say, if I made some changes to it while testing and something went wrong, then that error would appear on all pages where the template is present - even if only for a brief moment - this should be avoided, and once again the primary reason why all testing need to be done in sandboxes. I can understand you're eager to update the overviews after waiting a little longer than anticipated, but sometimes you just need to slow down and wait.

Unfortunately, I'll have to ask that you roll back the changes, for now. You can add them back once the template is fully ready. You'll know when this is once I create it in the mainspace.  Wookipan (talk | contribs) 21:15, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh... I'm terribly sorry for doing that. For some reason, my brain just didn't register the part about the template still being in testing and well.... I went straight to editing. I didn't mean to cause any commotion or problems, I just wanted to get the overviews done as soon as possible and be satisfied with it. Unfortunately, it seems that haste really does make waste, and now I have to correct myself. Oh well, thank you at least for warning me about the problems I caused :C.

Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 23:10, 13 July 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

All good. Thanks for your understanding.  Wookipan (talk | contribs) 21:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Overview mark up concerns.

I apologize for being brief and commenting without deep involvement, but I have comments from observations.

1) Annotated map overviews do have some potential usefulness.

2) Any system for map overview annotation needs to be easy, needing really no more skill than wiki text editing; because the overview needs to follow and changes in locations, which are generally subject to change, correction, and improvement. Consider what happens when the person who made the images is no longer active to maintain them.

3) "Helpful overview" is not an ideal heading; why "Helpful strategy" or "Helpful Trivia"? At best, the heading would just be "Overview" (if any heading is needed at all).

4) If annotated map overviews are always are set at the bottom of Locations, and the image has something of a title, then it really doesn't even need a heading. (I also see potential for snippets, embedded within Locations text.)

5) There is no need at all for the hatnote: "If you're having trouble with finding the locations listed here, ...", If this system is broadly adopted and well maintained, then it will be apparent when one reads the locations that they are marked on the overview following the text. (And if snippets are embedded in text, headings can be even less helpful).

6) (For the template) Especially, for symmetric maps without distinguishable features (like Lazarus), or for marking locations of identical features (e.g., ghost spawns, HHH spawns) could one number/letter be repeatedly placed (forgive the comment if it can be done already)?

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 13:17, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh, well hello again. I really didn't expect anyone else commenting on this topic, but I'm glad that people want to add their two cents. So, let me answer you questions:

1) Very good observation, if I may say. Everyone should agree that its simply impossible to visualize to someone, who never played that specific map in their life, the exact position of every map's key location in only words. Hence the reason for Helpful overviews.

2) Unfortunately, this is probably as easy as it gets. The old Helpful overviews required you to do "off-site" work in order to draw them. These new ones can be made on the wiki itself, so there have clearly been improvements.

3) Reason why I call them "Helpful overviews" is in order to distinguish them from the usual overviews. Every map has this Map infobox, which contains a simple, unedited overview of that map. Helpful overviews take these unedited overviews, and add markers/circles on them in order to mark a certain location.

4) I can maybe agree with you in this one. Sure, perhaps there really doesn't need to be a big heading above the image which already has its own title. But then again, some maps have very long lists of locations, and scrolling through these lists just to get to the Helpful overviews at the bottom, can be tedious. Having a heading adds a shortcut to the table of contents, eliminating this problem.

5) I can agree, these hat-notes have to go. I just added them in the beginning when people still weren't used to the Helpful overviews, and probably weren't even aware of their existence.

Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 15:34, 14 July 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

As for unexpected participants on this topic: the proposal is certainly one that has broad impact on the wiki; and as it has progressed, it seems to me for that reason to be a topic appropriate for Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion, which I expect may come as the template is finished and validated. (Those involved in the template can make that call.)

"Helpful" is still not the word. "Annotated" is a precise word, but a stuffy mouthful. (It is much more a "Locations Map" or "Map of Locations".) You point out that the marked-up overview has some redundancy with the overview in the infobox, which can be a difficult question to resolve on a User Talk page.

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 17:52, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!

Wanted to say I appreciate it, if there are any sections I can specifically help with please do let me know. I am most knowledgeable with how strange weapons function.

Kind regards,

Amelia SubliminalSiren (talk) 14:35, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Well hello there, this sure is a welcome surprise, since people don't really thank me for welcoming them. And because of that, I say: Thank you! for showing appreciation. Glad to know that I cheer up atleast someone with the work I do.

Now, regarding your will to help the wiki. As far as I know, I don't think that your knowlegde on strange weapons can come in handy, since everything regarding that has already been covered on the wiki (Although I'm not quit sure). But don't be dissapointed, for there are a multitude of other things you can do. At the bottom of the Main page, you'll find a table containg every single page which is incomplete at the moment, allowing you to see where you're needed the most.

And that's about it for this message. Thank you once again for thanking me, and I wish you a pleasent rest of the day, and an enyojable stay.

Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 13:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

Here's your Wikichievement!

Wikichievement	Awarded by	Date	Reason	Link
Photo Bomb Continuously upload and add screenshots to articles.	Joeun	August 29, 2021	Wikichievement unlocked! You've uploaded tons of photos, and how could you didn't get this Wikichievement yet?	Here

Thank you Lol, I often feel alone while editing the wiki. Wikichievement you gave me is really a lot means to me. So I'm happy to tell you derserve it! Also really thanks to the nomination, after all, they still think I'm not even deserve to nominate. but at least, you raising me up Joeun (talk) 17:36, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Awww Joeun...this is my first wikiachievement, thank you so much! While I didn't upload tons of photos, I'm still glad that someone appreciated those map overviews I created (Even though they were awfull). I'm also glad that you're happy about that wikiachievement I gave you for translating. You really were long overdue for one, so it was only fair that someone gave it to you.

Speaking of things you are overdue for, it really is sad that you haven't gotten the Wiki cap yet. But i'm sure this isn't because the mods are malicious or anything. They just aren't able to appreciate the quality of your translations, since there are no other korean translators to give them feedback about you, other then you (I think). But don't worry, you'll get that cap one way or another. You just have to continue translating pages (At your own pace), untill you garner enough edits and contributions to finally become worthy in their eyes. And considering that you've been here for a year and a half, the day when that inevetably happens might not be too far of.

Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 07:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

Anotha One

Wikichievement	Awarded by	Reason
Bloody Merry Spread happiness on your journey throughout the Team Fortress Wiki.	Tekinz	Wikichievement unlocked! One of the most friendly and welcoming users I've have witnessed on my time on the wiki

Frankly, I tend to be a quiet editor, mostly because I struggle with communicating with others which makes some of my days doing stuff on the wiki a little sad. But, when you gave me that Wikiachievement it was like being told that someone was watching and that had me ecstatic. Though, this is not only limited to me as you're quite the samaritan. It's hard not to see you on the recent changes going about giving others Wikiachievements for their own efforts, or greeting new users with warm welcomes to the community, or even just participating in discussions. I'm not entirely sure if this is the right Wikiachievement, but I'll be damned if you're not deserving of some sort of appreciation. Tekinz (talk) 05:31, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm 100% with Tekinz Joeun (talk) 07:24, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Guys :D I had no idea that I've made such a big impact on you. For I was merely awarding the effort noone else seemed to notice.

Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 09:33, 30 August 2021 (UTC)Lolimosgreat21