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| text = <span style="color:red; font-size:3em; text-align:center">'''This page is not for general discussions of the Team Fortress series or the Team Fortress Wiki.'''</span><br>It is for conversation pertaining to the [[Main Page]] itself. Use the following alternatives for general discussions:
  
== Archives ==
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* [[Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion]] – main discussion page of the [[Team Fortress Wiki|Wiki]].
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]]: July-August 2010
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* [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/tfwiki '''{{code|#tfwiki}}'''] IRC channel ([https://web.libera.chat/?#tfwiki web access]) – see [[Team Fortress Wiki:IRC]] for help.
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* Obtaining a [[Wiki Cap]] – see [[Team Fortress Wiki:Wiki Cap guidelines]].
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** For information regarding the current state of the Wiki Cap guidelines, see [[Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion/Wiki Cap]].
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* [https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions Team Fortress 2 Game Hub] on the [[Steam Community]] – general discussions of the game.
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==Bots Link==
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{{Main Page archives}}
  
Seems to me like bots should not be considered "Community" "Custom Content", or at least not anymore, and should be removed from that section, I think they should be placed in the "Game Info" "Content" section at the bottom of the main page instead, considering the fact that they are official, but I don't know how to edit the main page. [[User:Guy|Guy]] 13:48, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
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== Index update 2019 ==
  
:True enough. I'll fix it later. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] {{bur}} <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 13:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
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# Shouldn't one of [[Contracker]] or [[Jungle Inferno Campaign]] take the place of something on the Index Column 1 or 3?
::Done. -[[User:The Neotank|<font color="#FF8C00">'''The Neotank'''</font>]]&nbsp;({{mod}}<small> | [[User talk:The Neotank|Talk]]</small>) [[File:User The Neotank Signeotank.jpg]] 13:16, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
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# Shouldn't [[Comics]] take the place of something on the Index Column 1 or 3? 
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Maybe [[Item Quality]] and [[Critical Hits]] go.
  
== tf2wiki.net / wiki.teamfortress.com ==
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[[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' oOOOOo oo oo  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|'''''talk''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) 01:30, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
  
Hello there, why are both the (original) tf2wiki and the new (official) wiki online? Will they co-exist or eventually merge? This confuses me a bit. Thanks --[[User:Lbbt|Lbbt]] 16:22, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
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== An idea for translated main page ==
: TF2Wiki was an independently-owned website that was created a few years ago. Valve officially back the creation of a new Wiki, and this one was created. It has the official support of Valve, better servers and no ads. The owner of TF2Wiki does not want to take his website down, and Valve does not seem interested in buying it out. --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 16:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
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There is a navigation section which showed "Guidelines", "Discussion" etc, which doesn't appear for translated home pages.
:: I did wonder why the [[Lumbricus Lid]] page was vague in one Firefox tab and comprehensive in the other, despite the same pagename; didn't note the full web-address. Everything else is exactly the same; I didn't know there were 2 wikis! So people should just update this one? [[User:JaffaCakeLover|JaffaCakeLover]] 10:49, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Pretty much, yeah. It seems the owner of the old wiki insists on keeping his site up for the ad revenue and is not really interested in maintaining its content any further. We, however, are constantly improving ours and now have official status and the support of Valve. :) [[User:Seb26|<font color="#0B61A4">'''seb26'''</font>]] [[User talk:Seb26|<span style="font-size:95%;">[talk]</span>]] 10:58, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== We're first! ==
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And so Dereko tried adding a navigation (which is also shared with other important zh-hans pages) right there to improve the zh-hans page, though without a formal discussion (please forgive me if it's rude).<br />The navigation section includes useful links for both translators and visitors, from where they can enter translation progress page much easilier than before, or use another page I am working on to search for pages using Chinese names.
  
Break out the champagne everyone, Google brings us up first in a search for "Team Fortress Wiki" --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 21:50, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
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You can have a look at [[Main_Page/zh-hans|here]] (very clear with a Chinese TF Logo), and Dereko wonders if it's ok to keep it.
:Not for me. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 22:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 
::Nor me. But we are gaining. {{n}}[[User:Smashman|<span class="bur">Smashman</span>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{bur}} 12:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 
:::It is for me too. Let's get some scrumpy and Pain Trains to drink! -- [[User:OluapPlayer|<font color="red">'''OluapPlayer'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:OluapPlayer|t]])</sub> {{adm}} [[File:User OluapPlayer Sig.png|Howdy, pardner!]] 12:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 
:::We're very close! Come on guys we can do this! --[[User:EvilDeadFan|<font color="blue"><tt><big><u>'''EvilDeadFan'''</u></big></tt></font>]] [[Image:Pyro Blue Big.jpg|15px]] 14:38, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 
  
:::::yeah but if you search tf2 wiki or teamfortress 2 wiki, the old one still comes up, that create problems
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Thanks for spending time here :D
::::::Part of the issue is how you type it in. When typing "Teamfortress Wiki", we pop up first. However, when typing "TF2 Wiki", tf2wiki.net pops up first. --[[User: Krizzle_0|Krizzle_0]] 10:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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[[File:User Dereko Name.png|75px|link=User:Dereko]] 14:11, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Almost first, woohoo! [[User:ItzDark|ItzDark]] 18:39, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== Should we make a Poker Night at the Inventory page? ==
 
  
Considering that the Heavy is in it, they made one over at the Sam and Max wiki, so I think it's just a good idea if we have one as well, besides, when the game comes out, it'll be fun to add trivia about the Heavy and how he plays cards(especially since Sasha's gonna be used)! :D --[[User:EvilDeadFan|<font color="blue"><tt><big><u>'''EvilDeadFan'''</u></big></tt></font>]] [[Image:Pyro Blue Big.jpg|15px]] 14:38, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
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== Hyperlink name: why don't we just call it 'archive'? ==
:I like how they link the Heavy to this wiki.Also making such a page is not a bad idea. [[User:Mitko1239|Mitko1239]] 14:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
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Dear people of the TF wiki,
::As of right now, no Poker Night page. But it will definitely be mentioned on the Heavy page. If the Heavy has new Poker Night lines, I'll see what I can do with them and this Wiki. -- [[User:En_Ex|En Ex]] {{bur}}  <sub>([[User_talk:En_Ex|talk]])</sub> 11:00, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 
:::We should make a page, or posiable a subtopic on a page about all of the unlocks from the Game [[User:MSG_Accent_BABY|MSG_Accent_BABY]]
 
  
== New Main Page ==
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In the Featured article section,
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there's a 'Previously featured' hyperlink.
  
I like it. Very good work guys. [[User:CANPoo|CANPoo]] 05:24, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
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but the page which through the hyperlink has current featured article, not only previous featured articles.
: Thank you. I'm glad I had wonderful peons like [[User:Seb26|Seb26]] to do some of the grunt work or it would have taken FOREVER --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 05:31, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 
:: Why did you change it? [[User:CWalkthroughs|CWalkthroughs]] 10:45, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 
:::It was looking old and outdated and too similar to the unofficial wiki's to make us comfortable. Nice job, [[User:seb26|<span class="adm">seb26</span>]]! {{n}}[[User:Smashman|<span class="bur">Smashman</span>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{bur}} 11:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 
::::I like the new main page. Thank you :) --[[User:Joachimeberhard|Joachimeberhard]] 23:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 
And i personally do not like it. most interesting thing (patches and news line) is placed too low, huge-ass line of languages is quite a joke and that random site box is erm, not a good idea amigo. On 1280x1024 i have to scroll to read featured article, ergo first look fail. And colours are mad :( [[User:Ostrowiak|Ostrowiak]] 12:09, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 
:Well that's your opinion, what do you mean by 'random site box'? {{n}}[[User:Smashman|<span class="bur">Smashman</span>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{bur}} 12:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 
::Funky box of links below categories images (enginaahz sentry golden wrecz etc) [[User:Ostrowiak|Ostrowiak]] 14:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 
:::wat [[User:CWalkthroughs|CWalkthroughs]] 14:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 
It's a good step in the right direction if anything. --[[User:Focusknock|Focusknock]] 14:57, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 
:IMO I think the entire Index/Featured Article and Latest Updates/Did you know... sections are a bit big. The entire front page of the wiki now requires me to scroll side to side to see everything. I recommend condensing that or make the sections themselves scrollable. That way I can just scroll the section instead of scrolling the entire page. --[[User:ANormalUsername|<span style="text-shadow:green 0px 0px 3px;">A</span><span style="text-shadow:blue 0px 0px 3px;">Normal</span><span style="text-shadow:red 0px 0px 3px;">Username</span>]] 05:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 
One request so that I can sleep at night without having nightmares of duck ghosts attacking me. Make the background color on the div the class images are on white instead of sickly-yellow. [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] 01:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 
:You are having nightmares with Nineaxis? -- [[User:OluapPlayer|<font color="red">'''OluapPlayer'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:OluapPlayer|t]])</sub> {{adm}} [[File:User OluapPlayer Sig.png|Howdy, pardner!]] 01:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 
:: I'm not sure what this is about sickly-yellow, cause all I see is orange. -- [[User:Nineaxis|<span style="color:#FF8C00;font-weight:bold">Nineaxis</span>]] {{mod}} [[File:User Nineaxis sig duck.png|12px]] 01:27, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 
::: mp-content-header-alt is orange. This is sickly-yellow. Like an emoticon drowned in bleach. [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] 01:32, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 
:::: He's talking about the background for each class' portrait --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 01:34, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 
::::: And it's a light orange, not yellow. -- [[User:Nineaxis|<span style="color:#FF8C00;font-weight:bold">Nineaxis</span>]] {{mod}} [[File:User Nineaxis sig duck.png|12px]] 01:35, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 
  
:Hmm. I'll be honest, while I agree the old page could have used something to differentiate from the old wiki, and that a lot of the new stuff looks very polished and pretty. It is a bit messy to the eyes. It feels like too much is going on at once when you first plop on the homepage for the first time, and certain things could be a little more condensed.
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why don't we just named that hyperlink as 'archive'?
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It would be much appropriate name. [[User:123rse|123rse]] ([[User talk:123rse|talk]]) 08:51, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
  
Examples: The index is a welcome change, however the links below it do feel a little random and confusing somewhat visually, the updates are less condensed which can be seen as a good think OR a bad thing, and due to a lot of the negative changes, things like the "Did you know" or the "featured article" seem less necessary when they are no longer a focal point to the eye amongst the rest.
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: The previous featured articles are right below the current featured article. See [[Template:FeaturedArticle#Previous_featured_articles]] — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] [[Help:Group rights#Moderators|<span class="locbg">lm</span>]][[Help:Language_translation|<span class="locbg">(pt-br)</span>]] 17:04, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
  
Still. It has only just recently surfaced, and as with any wiki, changes can be made. I do agree it is a good start though. :) -- [[User:Benjamuffin|'''Benjamuffin''']] [[File:BenjamuffinSig.png|Om nom nom!]] 09:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
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== Should some form of warning be put in place regarding the leak? ==
:Seb, you did a really good job. Right now, my only complaints are: 1) there are two links to the admin page right next to each other and 2) we gotta figure out a spot to put a link to the [[Team Fortress 2]] article. So yeah, other than that, this looks pretty damn nifty! -- [[User:En_Ex|En Ex]] {{bur}}  <sub>([[User_talk:En_Ex|talk]])</sub> 11:02, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 
  
I know I'm new, and users on this Wiki seem to have a not so strange dislike for all new users, but I think I'll prove myself valuable eventually. Anyway, a question: if I may be so bold, is there a reason why followed links appear grey on this site? It can make it a little difficult to tell if it is a link at all. Not a major concern, just a question.[[User:Subtlefuge|Subtlefuge]] 18:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
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Source code for TF2 and CSGO was leaked, allowing for RCE. I think some form of warning advising players not to play until Valve responds would be appropriate. [[File:Item icon Salty Dog.png|link=Salty Dog{{if lang}}|40px|Salty Dog]][[User:InfernalShroom|<span><font color="850101"><b><big>InfernalShroom</big></b> </font></span>]][[User_talk:InfernalShroom|<span><font color="850101"><big><b>(Talk)</b></big></font></span>]] 17:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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:Yes<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 17:45, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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::Either of you can make a template (similar to Rick May's Memorial) and I'll put it on the main page. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 17:57, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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:::Already being worked on.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 18:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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::::[[Template:Stayhome]] is up! [[File:Killicon flaming huntsman.png|75px|link=]] [[User:VasyaTheWizard|<font color="DB9C1F">'''VasyaTheWizard'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:VasyaTheWizard|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/VasyaTheWizard|<font color="DB9C1F">contributions</font>]])</sup>  18:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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::::: Admin add the warning as an every page banner? [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="db9c1f">''' M I K A D O 282 '''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="00ff00"> <small>⊙</small>⊙⊙⊙⊙<small>⊙ ⊙⊙  ⊙⊙</small></font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|'''''talk''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) 18:23, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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:::::: I feel like having it on every page would be a bit overkill if we already have it on the main page, what do the others think? [[File:Killicon flaming huntsman.png|75px|link=]] [[User:VasyaTheWizard|<font color="DB9C1F">'''VasyaTheWizard'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:VasyaTheWizard|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/VasyaTheWizard|<font color="DB9C1F">contributions</font>]])</sup>  18:25, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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::::::: I'd put it on every page. Banner blindness and stuff. And not everyone visits the wiki through the main page, and this is vital information. '''{ [[User:TidB|TidB]]''' | [[User_talk:TidB|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/TidB|c]]''' }''' 18:27, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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::::::::I agree, putting this warning on every page will ensure that anyone who visits the wiki will see it. [[File:Item icon Salty Dog.png|link=Salty Dog{{if lang}}|40px|Salty Dog]][[User:InfernalShroom|<span><font color="850101"><b><big>InfernalShroom</big></b> </font></span>]][[User_talk:InfernalShroom|<span><font color="850101"><big><b>(Talk)</b></big></font></span>]] 18:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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::::::::: The situation is extraordinary and requires that we inform this everyone that comes here and at all times - that means putting the banner everywhere. In "best" case scenario the game becomes unplayable thanks to "just" exploits found in the engine, and at worst we have a real disaster in form of RCE, with a possibility of more than just 1 method of doing that. [[User:Goodjob|Goodjob]] ([[User talk:Goodjob|talk]])
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:::::::::: Good points, I'll look into if it's possible to have it visible on all pages without editing every single page for it. [[File:Killicon flaming huntsman.png|75px|link=]] [[User:VasyaTheWizard|<font color="DB9C1F">'''VasyaTheWizard'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:VasyaTheWizard|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/VasyaTheWizard|<font color="DB9C1F">contributions</font>]])</sup>  18:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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::::::::::: The global notice doesn't seem to be working on every page. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 18:51, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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::::::::::::Once again, it's just the server cache. Give it a few hours (or days) to become fully stable. [[File:User Wookipan Golden Strawberry.png|10px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User:Wookipan|<span style="color:#db9c1f">'''Wookipan'''</span>]] <small>([[User_talk:Wookipan|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Wookipan|contribs]])</small> 19:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
  
I like the new main page a lot - just a suggestion though; maybe the [[Administrator]] link should be replaced with one to [[Non-player characters]] instead? Seems odd to give one NPC precedence when you've got others like Saxton Hale? Just a though - [[User:Goldenboy|<font color="FFAA44" size="2px">Goldenboy</font>]] 11:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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== Something funky happening with the Full Moon status ==
:She's the only one with any official gameplay ties or implications. It should stay as is. [[User:Subtlefuge|Subtlefuge]] 10:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== The Steam Group is 1337 ==
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[https://i.imgur.com/0y6e3gT.png https://i.imgur.com/0y6e3gT] [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 00:47, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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:Apparently there's also a problem with the Featured Article image. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 00:48, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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::I somehow fixed the full moon one when I corrected a commented-out spelling mistake in the [[Template:If full moon|If full moon template]]. Don't ask me why changing a commented-out letter made it work again. '''[[User:404UNF|404UNF]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404UNF|(talk)]]</sup> 01:12, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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:::Well looks like it fixed the problem with the Featured Article image too. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 01:19, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/OTFWiki
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:::: "Google Translation"; maybe something else was going on, but resolved. [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="db9c1f">''' M I K A D O 282 '''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="00ff00"> <small>⊙</small>⊙⊙⊙⊙<small>⊙ ⊙⊙  ⊙⊙</small></font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|'''''talk''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) 02:30, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  
[http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/8/80/Soldier_positivevocalization02.wav Ohyeah.] -- [[User:OluapPlayer|<font color="red">'''OluapPlayer'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:OluapPlayer|t]])</sub> {{adm}} [[File:User OluapPlayer Sig.png|Howdy, pardner!]] 23:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
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== Rick May's date of death is incorrect ==
:I shall be 1338 Muhaha [[User:CANPoo|CANPoo]] 02:53, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
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As mentioned in the [[Tribute to Rick May]] and [[w:Rick May|Rick May Wikipedia article]], he passed away on April 8,2020. However, the "Latest Updates" section of main page incorrectly lists it as April 13, 2020. [[File:Item icon Salty Dog.png|link=Salty Dog{{if lang}}|40px|Salty Dog]][[User:InfernalShroom|<span><font color="850101"><b><big>InfernalShroom</big></b> </font></span>]][[User_talk:InfernalShroom|<span><font color="850101"><big><b>(Talk)</b></big></font></span>]] 22:17, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
::Next should be 1337 servers. [[User:ItzDark|ItzDark]] 20:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
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:Fixed. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 22:27, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
  
== Regarding Set Bonuses ==
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== Fencing description ==
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The description of the fencing spy taunt has all knives except Prinny's Machete, although this taunt can be made with her.
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[[User: Fox7314 | Fox7314]] ([[User talk: Fox7314 | talk]]) 09:51, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
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:I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about here, there's no mention of the fencing taunt here.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 10:04, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
  
Sorry, I'm a bit new to this right now, so I don't know if I'm doing this right in any way, but...
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==a way to improve the wiki==
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What if we have a page where we discuss weapon, cosmetic, map, action item, game mode, and taunt ideas?[[User:Msmeal18|Msmeal18]] ([[User talk:Msmeal18|talk]]) 23:55, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
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:Not what the wiki is for. You may make a page on your own user space but otherwise, use the steam discussion forums.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 23:57, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
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::how do I do dat[[User:Msmeal18|Msmeal18]] ([[User talk:Msmeal18|talk]]) 00:00, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
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::: You need to create a page that says "<nowiki>https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/User:Msmeal18/THENAMEYOUWISH</nowiki>" · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 00:05, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
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:::: But I want a place where everyone can share there ideas. [[User:Msmeal18|Msmeal18]] ([[User talk:Msmeal18|talk]]) 22:53, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
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::::: If you add a notice at the top saying anyone can edit it and add their own ideas, but you reserve the right to remove any you see unfit then you basically have your own moderated page. There are several templates you can use to make suggestions just look like real stats. A page such as this on the mainspace is not a good fit for the wiki, nor would it really have any purpose besides being a place for discussion (Which is the job for forums, not wikipedias).<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 23:01, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
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:::::: Here’s the link: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/User:Msmeal18/Ideas [[User:Msmeal18|Msmeal18]] ([[User talk:Msmeal18|talk]]) 00:20, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  
Perhaps we should make separate pages for each of the item set bonuses introduced in the Mann-Conomy update (as well as any additional ones patched in at a later date)? It seems rather unnoticeable at the moment, simply tacked on the hat pages. [[User:Randomscripter|Randomscripter]] 18:04, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
: Thanks for the suggestion, but we already have the [[Item Sets]] page. We're probably going to link to it on the main page some time in the future, I think I might put it there now, actually --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 18:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
:: Oh, alright. Just making sure. [[User:Randomscripter|Randomscripter]] 20:16, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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::::: @[[User:Msmeal18|Msmeal18]] Reply to the 22:53 post : I want to amplify; a place "where we discuss weapon, cosmetic, map, action item, game mode, and taunt ideas?" would be a forum or a workshop. Those already exist. Tfwiki is chartered as an encyclopedia, "Its goal is to provide ''Team Fortress 2'' players with information that they will find useful to further their understanding of the game", not toe provide for community development of the game.
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::::: Additionally, this [[Talk:Main Page]] is exclusively for discussion of the [[Main Page]]. As stated in the notice at the top this Talk page, "This page is not for general discussion of TF2 or the wiki." This means that significant changes to the mission of the wiki should be discussed at [[Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion]], not here.
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::::: [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="db9c1f">''' M I K A D O 282 '''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="00ff00"> <small>❄</small>❄❄❄❄<small>❄ ❄❄  ❄❄</small></font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|'''''talk''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) 00:38, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  
== Has anyone else made this suggestion? ==
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== Empty Subpages ==
  
Most of the time I see a wiki like this, they often have a poll on their main page. It might be interesting to see the opinions of the community. Although some of the questions would probably seem trivial, it is fun to see how many people i.e. prefer to use stock weapons/think the Pyro should get a "Meet the" video before the Medic, has this idea been brought up before?--[[User:Karonen|Karonen]] 20:49, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
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So I've been trying to clean out the "uncategorized pages" special page, and I think I've done it. <br />
:Left 4 Dead wiki has this, I noticed. Normally it's something boring like how is the Passing and have you jizzed for the Sacrifice yet. As we are understandably more awesome, we need polls that are better.--[[User:Focusknock|Focusknock]] 10:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
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Except for two pages: "Main Page/Page.css" and "Main Page/Page.js". These two pages are weird. For one thing, they're both blank. Main Page/Page.css merely displays the text "// Empty". That is also the full content of its source code. Main Page/Page.js is about four times as elaborate, with source code consisting of "// Empty but protected from edits." For another thing, they're both, well, uncategorized. For a third thing, they're both (as Page.js says) protected from edits.<br />
::How many hours a week do you spend playing TF2? 1) 1-5 2) 6-10 3) 10-20 4) 20-50,000 5) oops wrong wiki. -- [[User:En_Ex|En Ex]] {{bur}}  <sub>([[User_talk:En_Ex|talk]])</sub> 10:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
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Are these pages waiting to be edited for some greater purpose? Do they have hidden code that's necessary for the wiki's function? Are the required to sate the hunger of some ravenous spaghetti code monster? Or..?<br />
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And what should be done about them? Do we just leave them be and never see the glory of an empty [[Special:Uncategorizedpages]]? [[User:Kestrelguy|Kestrelguy]] ([[User talk:Kestrelguy|talk]]) 02:06, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
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: I think they are hidden and protected · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 02:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
  
Perhaps we should make a list of decent poll ideas, then we pick an order to use them? Some ideas I had: Should the Pyro or the Medic get a "Meet the" video first? How do you think the Ellis cap came to be in the TF2 world? (Reference to Bill's Hat) Which class has your favorite hats? (Hats are what make the TF2 world go round) That [Insert Class name here] is a SPY!--[[User:Karonen|Karonen]] 18:38, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
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== [[TFW:April Fools' Day/2021/Main Page|TF95 theme]] ==
 
I agree with you Karonen. It would be very nice with a meet the pyro trailer. In Team Fortress there are loads of people who play the pyro, so I think it will become very popular.[[User:Ineedhats|Ineedhats]] 18:47, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 
:We'd need an Extension and this is something we can't do. Sorry to burst your bubbles but it's almost definitely not going to happen. {{n}}[[User:Smashman|<span class="bur">Smashman</span>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{bur}} 18:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 
::Aren't there websites that allow you to make polls on ''that'' website? A Link to the website could work if I'm not wrong, but it seems less professional. [[User:Danton|Danton]] 13:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== Random Button ==
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Can we make TF95 an optional theme you can activate anytime? I love Windows 95 and I love this style.
  
Whenever I hit the random page button in the side bar, 7 of 8 times it brings me to a page in some foreign language.  Is there any way to code it so that it goes to a page in your selected language (as defined by the main page)? <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:Bro1017|Bro1017]] ([[User talk:Bro1017|talk]]) • [[Special:Contributions/Bro1017|contribs]]) </small>
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[[User:ClonaClox9999|ClonaClox9999]] ([[User talk:ClonaClox9999|talk]]) 18:35, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
:We have the code, we're just waiting on [[User:JeffLane|<span class="val">JeffLane</span>]] to install it. So nothing we can do now. Sorry! {{n}}[[User:Smashman|<span class="bur">Smashman</span>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{bur}} 17:48, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== some achivments worked wierd for me ==
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:I must agree, it’s nice looking
  
Some achivments worked wierd since I went from my C hardware to my E hardware Ex. I lost all of my points in the 1m achivments except medics, I could only achive Texas runner by dying that would result in +1 but I am realy sure that it was about running whit a already created dispenser, teleporter, or sentry. Im not complaining or so but I wonder if any1 else had that problem. <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:Elkid0|Elkid0]] ([[User talk:Elkid0|talk]]) • [[Special:Contributions/Elkid0|contribs]]) </small>
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:[[User:Calcium fiend|Calcium fiend]] ([[User talk:Calcium fiend|talk]]) 18:39, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
: The Wiki is not a forum, the issue you're having with achievements has occurred with other people as well. --[[User:Firestorm|<span style="text-shadow:orange 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}}</span> 16:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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::Heyo, I'm the one that made the TF95 theme. Glad you guys like it <3. I have thought about making it into a toggleable skin due to the many requests, but no promises. In the meantime, I've put up the code @ [https://pastebin.com/ANXBVJTr pastebin] for you to use locally. Simply create the page {{code|User:<yourusername>/common.css}}, or go into Preferences > Appearance, click on 'Custom CSS' then paste the code. You may get some warnings from MediaWiki (the software that the wiki uses) about possible errors; just ignore those and save anyway - it's just due to the formatter that I used. Also, please note that it won't have the dialog box or the popup ad, sadly. [[File:User Wookipan Golden Strawberry.png|10px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User:Wookipan|<span style="color:#db9c1f">'''Wookipan'''</span>]] <small>([[User_talk:Wookipan|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Wookipan|contribs]])</small> 19:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
  
== Add a "Tools" section in the Index? ==
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== Add latest news ==
  
Should there be a "Tools" section for keys, paint, name tags, etc. in the Index area? Specifically the "weapons, hats, game modes" section. [[User:Fendermcbender|Fendermcbender]] 20:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)Fendermcbender
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I'd like to suggest adding a new field under "Latest updates" mirroring the [https://www.teamfortress.com/?tab=news News section] of the Blog. [https://i.imgur.com/TyKnZ61.png Example]. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] [[Help:Group rights#Moderators|<span class="locbg">lm</span>]][[Help:Language_translation|<span class="locbg">(pt-br)</span>]] 12:52, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
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:{{c|Support}}<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 13:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
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::{{c|Support}} [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 16:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
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:::{{c|Support}} [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 16:42, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
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::::{{c|Support}} Idk why it didn't exist before · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 21:02, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
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:::::{{c|Support}} [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 18:07, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
  
: I'm not sure. Considering that we don't have "all that many" as of right now, the page might only work to confuse people. Assuming Valve follows through and adds a few more though, then it would probably be necessary. My only concerns is with having a page potentially on the main screen with little to no content. By that's just my opinion. [[User:StarYoshi|StarYoshi]] 22:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
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:::::: {{c|done}}. [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] [[Help:Group rights#Moderators|<span class="locbg">lm</span>]][[Help:Language_translation|<span class="locbg">(pt-br)</span>]] 11:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
:: Paint, Nametags, Keys, Crates, Giftwrap, and Presents. Seems like enough for me.[[User:Spar13|Spar13]] 15:45, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 
::: I quickly made a page for Tools. http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Tools  I think there are enough tools for them to get a link on the main index. [[User:KillerKooK|KillerKooK]] 20:39, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 
::: Yeah, I suppose there's enough right there. Not a bad page, Killer. I don't think its quite ready to be on the main page, as we should probably clean up things such as Trivia, updates on when things such as Keys became tradeable, and notes on how Gift Wrap doesn't "actually exist" in-game yet. But definitely not a bad start at all. [[User:StarYoshi|StarYoshi]] 15:14, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== Maybe you should add this link into the update box. ==
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== long long ago... ==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS3ANTUOevY its for  "A Granary Adventure: The Underdog Story" <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:Blackcat|Blackcat]] ([[User talk:Blackcat|talk]]) • [[Special:Contributions/Blackcat|contribs]]) 06:44, 27 October 2010</small>
 
  
== Change Patches icons... ==
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It is at this awkward moment the latest blog post is almost 700 days ago, and I was wondering if it will be better showing it like "x Years x Month x Days ago"? I tried to dig through the templates but I can't find the one handling this number.
  
From Engineer to Horseless Headless Horsemann? -- [[User:OluapPlayer|<font color="red">'''OluapPlayer'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:OluapPlayer|t]])</sub> {{adm}} [[File:User OluapPlayer Sig.png|Howdy, pardner!]] 22:02, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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--[[User:AlexT|<span style="background:linear-gradient(#D1EEFC, #81F3FD);border:1px #99F3FD solid;color:#007FFF;border-radius:8px">'''Alex'''</span>]][[User talk:AlexT|<span style="color: #FF6600;">'''T'''</span>]] 10:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:{{c|support}} Absolutely. Latest major patch, and everyone likes new stuff. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 22:02, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 
:{{c|support}}: Yup. I made the Engineer one, so I have a template, so I can do it tomorrow. Should I use the image of the Horsemann alone, or chasing the group? Someone else can do it ofcourse, I can just do it easily and not cause hassle for another. &ndash; [[User:Smashman|<span class="mod">Smashman</span>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{mod}} 22:06, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 
[[File:Horsemann_Icon_mainpage.png|thumb|right]]
 
::{{c|Comment}} How's this? ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style=&quot;font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 22:09, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 
:{{c|Comment}}: Whore! I wanted to do it. :( But yes, that's very nice. &ndash; [[User:Smashman|<span class="mod">Smashman</span>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{mod}} 22:17, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 
::{{c|Comment}} Looks pretty good. We just need to pootis it on the main page now. -- [[User:OluapPlayer|<font color="red">'''OluapPlayer'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:OluapPlayer|t]])</sub> {{adm}} [[File:User OluapPlayer Sig.png|Howdy, pardner!]] 22:19, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== Featured article position ==
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: Find out if this is desired. Then you could write/plagiarize a template.
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: [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="db9c1f">''' M I K A D O 282 '''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="00ff00"> <small>⊙</small>⊙⊙⊙⊙<small>⊙ ⊙⊙  ⊙⊙</small></font></span>]] <!-- --
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--> <small> ([[User:Mikado282/Contact Mikado282|Talk with Mikado282 (SM)]]) | [[Special:Contributions/Mikado282|'''''contribs''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) </small> 01:11, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
  
I don't know about you, but pretty much every other wiki I've been to has the featured article section at or near the top of the main page. But here, it's at least halfway down the page and can't even be seen without scrolling down. Since there's a lot of stuff competing for prominence on the main page, I'm just wondering why it fell down. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 22:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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== dyk references ==
:It's less important than the stuff above. Seemed to work. &ndash; [[User:Smashman|<span class="mod">Smashman</span>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{mod}} 22:18, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== Event banner? ==
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I just noticed that references in dyk sections in main page all got dumped into the bottom of the main page, this does not look nice and maybe there is a better way to handle this? --[[User:AlexT|<span style="background:linear-gradient(#D1EEFC, #81F3FD);border:1px #99F3FD solid;color:#007FFF;border-radius:8px">'''Alex'''</span>]]┋[[User talk:AlexT|<span style="color: #FF6600;">'''T'''</span>]] 17:25, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
  
I can't help but feel the [[Main Page]] looks a bit bare sometimes; it might be cool to spice it up with an event banner or similar for major events (think [[Scream Fortress]], [[Engineer Update]], etc.). I've thrown together a [[:File:Screamfortress_Banner.png|example]] for how one could look for Scream Fortress in particular. It's made in such a way that it could easily be written into a table for a variable width layout. If people like it, I'll have a go at creating the [[Template:Main Page Event|Main Page Event template]]. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 19:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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:Should be fixed soon, I've removed the references and replaced them with square brackets as they should not have references in the first place.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:33, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
:This looks pretty well done. -- [[User:OluapPlayer|<font color="red">'''OluapPlayer'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:OluapPlayer|t]])</sub> {{adm}} [[File:User OluapPlayer Sig.png|Howdy, pardner!]] 19:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 
::I try. <3 ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 19:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Now it's breaking the right boundary of the page to me. YOU HAVE FAILED ME! -- [[User:OluapPlayer|<font color="red">'''OluapPlayer'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:OluapPlayer|t]])</sub> {{adm}} [[File:User OluapPlayer Sig.png|Howdy, pardner!]] 19:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 
::::That's Smashman's fault. <_<; ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 19:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Having looked up various bits of documentation online, it looks like we have ''two'' options.
 
:::::'''1. Enable less strict HTML guidelines in LocalSettings.php'''. Pretty self-explanatory, and '''not''' recommended by me.
 
:::::'''2. Add the relevant CSS to [[MediaWiki:Common.css|Common.css]]'''. Can't be abused, and makes sense.
 
::::I've cooked up the relevant markup and style for the latter:
 
<pre><nowiki><div id="eventScreamFortressBg">
 
<div id="eventScreamFortressHhh">
 
[[File:User_Lhavelund/ScreamFortress_Link.png]]
 
</div>
 
</div></nowiki>
 
</pre>
 
::::...is the HTML code. Can be substituted by MediaWiki tables.
 
<pre><nowiki>
 
div#eventScreamFortressBg {
 
background: url('http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/1/1e/User_Lhavelund_ScreamFortress_BG.png') repeat-x;
 
height: 120px;
 
width: 100%;
 
}
 
  
div#eventScreamFortressHhh {
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== When is the Scream Fortress tag gonna be removed?  ==
background: url('http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/1/15/User_Lhavelund_ScreamFortress_HHH.png') center right no-repeat;
 
text-align:center;
 
padding-top: 20px;
 
}</nowiki></pre>
 
::::...is the required CSS. Let me know how to proceed. The images obviously need to be moved to the proper positions. I'll happily maintain any such artwork in the future should it be required. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 19:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::I have no idea what these gimmicky codes mean, I was just suggesting to make the image smaller so it wouldn't break the bondaries of the page. -- [[User:OluapPlayer|<font color="red">'''OluapPlayer'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:OluapPlayer|t]])</sub> {{adm}} [[File:User OluapPlayer Sig.png|Howdy, pardner!]] 20:07, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== Sandman Wall glitch ==
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So, admins, it’s November 2nd, and it’s past Halloween. When is the Scream Fortress tag gonna be removed?
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[[User:Soldurian|Soldurian]] ([[User talk:Soldurian|talk]]) 14:28, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
  
I dont know if this has been posted before but i found this glitch in game. While using the sandmans baseball, run back and forth toward a wall hitting the ball. Make sure to go strait and to keep the ball going in a strait line towards the wall. It might take awhile but it should eventually "disapear". To see what actual happens do it to a glass wall and do it. What you'll see is that it goes strait threw the wall and still hurt the enemy. --[[User:Delterz|Delterz]] 04:08, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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:Scream Fortress ends 7 November.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 14:31, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
:It's a known exploit, and documented [[Exploits#Terrain_exploits|here]]. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 05:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 
  
==Unofficial Community Content==
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::Oh.
I've noticed that nearly all of the unofficial community content (Mods, maps, etc.) are stubs, marked for cleanup, ect.
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Do we really need these? There is FPSbanana. That would clean up a LOT of the wiki. --[[User:Kurathedog|Kurathedog]] 21:53, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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::[[User:Soldurian|Soldurian]] ([[User talk:Soldurian|talk]]) 14:55, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
:I think the general consensus is that we add pages for custom content if it is ''notable''. That is, for example, if a map has been adopted in comp play, is featured on a bunch of servers, etc. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 21:54, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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:: Instead of asking to delete them, why not contribute to them instead? That would be most helpful.--<span style="color:purple">'''''Focusknock'''''</span> [[Help:Group rights|<span class="burbg">s</span>]] 21:57, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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== Banner seems to be incorrectly cropped/resized ==
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Compared to the [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/3/3a/Main_Page_event_Summer_2023_Pack.png original image], [https://i.imgur.com/5rS6G93.png this] doesn't look quite right.<br/>[[User:Tiagoquix|<font color="#1e90ff">Tiagoquix</font>]] ([[User talk:Tiagoquix|<font color="#19c819">talk</font>]]) 13:16, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
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:Should be fixed now. Thanks for the heads-up~ — [[User:Wookipan|<span style="color:#db9c1f">'''Wookipan'''</span>]] <small>([[User_talk:Wookipan|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Wookipan|contribs]])</small> 19:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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::It's correct now. Thank you very much for your attention!<br/>[[User:Tiagoquix|<font color="#1e90ff">Tiagoquix</font>]] ([[User talk:Tiagoquix|<font color="#19c819">talk</font>]]) 19:59, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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== Twitter/X ==
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When Twitter is mentioned in references, quotes, or whatever other context, should it still be called Twitter, X or both "Twitter/X", or something else? It's still rebranding but most mostly complete, though Wikipedia is still slow about it. Right now I'm just using Twitter/X for clarity but not to seem outdated.--[[File:Leaderboard class allclass.png|15px|link=]] [[User:Akolyth|<span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Trebuchet MS">'''Akolyth'''</span>]] ([[User_talk:Akolyth|talk]]) 19:18, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
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:Generally the site isn't mentioned, as it should be an archived version of it. Simply describing what the link contains is enough (e.g. "Creator confirming reference"). Please also keep discussions not about the Main Page to [[TFW:Discussion]] instead of here, as this is about the main page only.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=Wiki Cap]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 19:30, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
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== "Did you know" bugged fact ==
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For me, the "Did you know" fact number four appears as follows:
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<code><nowiki>{{#switch:Main Page|#default=...that you can combine the Atomizer and the Force-A-Nature to perform four jumps in mid-air?|en=...that you can combine the Atomizer and the Force-A-Nature to perform four jumps in mid-air?|ru=...вместе с Расщепителем и Неумолимой силой можно выполнить четвёртый прыжок?|zh-hans=…你可以搭配[[Atomizer}]和Force-A-Nature在半空中完成四段跳?|{{dictionary/items/atomizer}]和force-a-nature在半空中完成四段跳?|null=}}]]</nowiki></code>
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I investigated [[Template:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know/main]], [[Template:Did you know/list]], and [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Dictionary/common_strings&action=edit&section=59 common strings in the dictionary related to DYK], but I couldn't find the problem.<br/>[[User:Tiagoquix|<font color="#1e90ff">Tiagoquix</font>]] ([[User talk:Tiagoquix|<font color="#19c819">talk</font>]]) 12:37, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
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:Should be fixed (soon), it said <nowiki>{{item link|Atomizer}] instead of {{item link|Atomizer}}</nowiki>, this broke the code.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=Wiki Cap]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 12:51, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
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== The Bot Crisis ==
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Is it a good idea to maybe make a page dedicated about the bot crisis and/or the #SaveTF2 - #FixTF2 Campaign? [[User:QwertyPcGaming|QwertyPcGaming]] ([[User talk:QwertyPcGaming|talk]]) 17:19, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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: Doing that would violate the [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Policies#Community_engagement|Community engagement policy]]. The wiki itself simply can't do something like that, it's against the rules. Individual editors could promote it but the wiki itself can't endorse the campaign because it's not officially endorsed by Valve. Putting #FixTF2 on the main page is going to be a no. Thank you for understanding. [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 17:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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::Additionally, it is in breach of the [[Team Fortress Wiki:Policies#Community websites|community websites policy]].<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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== When will the new blog post (announcing comic #7) be added to the main page? ==
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I understand why it's not up just yet, since it just appeared like 2 hours ago, but I figured I should say something to get the attention of whoever has the permissions to edit the main page. Thanks! [[User:Carver2|Carver2]] ([[User talk:Carver2|talk]]) 21:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
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:Because I had to upload 330 comic pages individually. Some patience is required.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 21:54, 20 December 2024



Index update 2019

  1. Shouldn't one of Contracker or Jungle Inferno Campaign take the place of something on the Index Column 1 or 3?
  2. Shouldn't Comics take the place of something on the Index Column 1 or 3?

Maybe Item Quality and Critical Hits go.

M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (Help Wanted!) 01:30, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

An idea for translated main page

There is a navigation section which showed "Guidelines", "Discussion" etc, which doesn't appear for translated home pages.

And so Dereko tried adding a navigation (which is also shared with other important zh-hans pages) right there to improve the zh-hans page, though without a formal discussion (please forgive me if it's rude).
The navigation section includes useful links for both translators and visitors, from where they can enter translation progress page much easilier than before, or use another page I am working on to search for pages using Chinese names.

You can have a look at here (very clear with a Chinese TF Logo), and Dereko wonders if it's ok to keep it.

Thanks for spending time here :D User Dereko Name.png 14:11, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


Hyperlink name: why don't we just call it 'archive'?

Dear people of the TF wiki,

In the Featured article section, there's a 'Previously featured' hyperlink.

but the page which through the hyperlink has current featured article, not only previous featured articles.

why don't we just named that hyperlink as 'archive'? It would be much appropriate name. 123rse (talk) 08:51, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

The previous featured articles are right below the current featured article. See Template:FeaturedArticle#Previous_featured_articlesTark lm(pt-br) 17:04, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Should some form of warning be put in place regarding the leak?

Source code for TF2 and CSGO was leaked, allowing for RCE. I think some form of warning advising players not to play until Valve responds would be appropriate. Salty DogInfernalShroom (Talk) 17:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes
GrampaSwood (talk) 17:45, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Either of you can make a template (similar to Rick May's Memorial) and I'll put it on the main page. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 17:57, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Already being worked on.
GrampaSwood (talk) 18:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Template:Stayhome is up! Killicon flaming huntsman.png VasyaTheWizard (talk) • (contributions) 18:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Admin add the warning as an every page banner? M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 18:23, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
I feel like having it on every page would be a bit overkill if we already have it on the main page, what do the others think? Killicon flaming huntsman.png VasyaTheWizard (talk) • (contributions) 18:25, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
I'd put it on every page. Banner blindness and stuff. And not everyone visits the wiki through the main page, and this is vital information. { TidB | t | c } 18:27, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
I agree, putting this warning on every page will ensure that anyone who visits the wiki will see it. Salty DogInfernalShroom (Talk) 18:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The situation is extraordinary and requires that we inform this everyone that comes here and at all times - that means putting the banner everywhere. In "best" case scenario the game becomes unplayable thanks to "just" exploits found in the engine, and at worst we have a real disaster in form of RCE, with a possibility of more than just 1 method of doing that. Goodjob (talk)
Good points, I'll look into if it's possible to have it visible on all pages without editing every single page for it. Killicon flaming huntsman.png VasyaTheWizard (talk) • (contributions) 18:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The global notice doesn't seem to be working on every page. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 18:51, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Once again, it's just the server cache. Give it a few hours (or days) to become fully stable. User Wookipan Golden Strawberry.png Wookipan (talk | contribs) 19:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Something funky happening with the Full Moon status

https://i.imgur.com/0y6e3gT User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 00:47, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Apparently there's also a problem with the Featured Article image. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 00:48, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
I somehow fixed the full moon one when I corrected a commented-out spelling mistake in the If full moon template. Don't ask me why changing a commented-out letter made it work again. 404UNF (talk) 01:12, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Well looks like it fixed the problem with the Featured Article image too. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 01:19, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
"Google Translation"; maybe something else was going on, but resolved. M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 02:30, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Rick May's date of death is incorrect

As mentioned in the Tribute to Rick May and Rick May Wikipedia article, he passed away on April 8,2020. However, the "Latest Updates" section of main page incorrectly lists it as April 13, 2020. Salty DogInfernalShroom (Talk) 22:17, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Fixed. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 22:27, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Fencing description

The description of the fencing spy taunt has all knives except Prinny's Machete, although this taunt can be made with her. Fox7314 ( talk) 09:51, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about here, there's no mention of the fencing taunt here.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:04, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

a way to improve the wiki

What if we have a page where we discuss weapon, cosmetic, map, action item, game mode, and taunt ideas?Msmeal18 (talk) 23:55, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Not what the wiki is for. You may make a page on your own user space but otherwise, use the steam discussion forums.
GrampaSwood (talk) 23:57, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
how do I do datMsmeal18 (talk) 00:00, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
You need to create a page that says "https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/User:Msmeal18/THENAMEYOUWISH" · Ashe (talk) 00:05, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
But I want a place where everyone can share there ideas. Msmeal18 (talk) 22:53, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
If you add a notice at the top saying anyone can edit it and add their own ideas, but you reserve the right to remove any you see unfit then you basically have your own moderated page. There are several templates you can use to make suggestions just look like real stats. A page such as this on the mainspace is not a good fit for the wiki, nor would it really have any purpose besides being a place for discussion (Which is the job for forums, not wikipedias).
GrampaSwood (talk) 23:01, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Here’s the link: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/User:Msmeal18/Ideas Msmeal18 (talk) 00:20, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


@Msmeal18 Reply to the 22:53 post : I want to amplify; a place "where we discuss weapon, cosmetic, map, action item, game mode, and taunt ideas?" would be a forum or a workshop. Those already exist. Tfwiki is chartered as an encyclopedia, "Its goal is to provide Team Fortress 2 players with information that they will find useful to further their understanding of the game", not toe provide for community development of the game.
Additionally, this Talk:Main Page is exclusively for discussion of the Main Page. As stated in the notice at the top this Talk page, "This page is not for general discussion of TF2 or the wiki." This means that significant changes to the mission of the wiki should be discussed at Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion, not here.
M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 00:38, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Empty Subpages

So I've been trying to clean out the "uncategorized pages" special page, and I think I've done it.
Except for two pages: "Main Page/Page.css" and "Main Page/Page.js". These two pages are weird. For one thing, they're both blank. Main Page/Page.css merely displays the text "// Empty". That is also the full content of its source code. Main Page/Page.js is about four times as elaborate, with source code consisting of "// Empty but protected from edits." For another thing, they're both, well, uncategorized. For a third thing, they're both (as Page.js says) protected from edits.
Are these pages waiting to be edited for some greater purpose? Do they have hidden code that's necessary for the wiki's function? Are the required to sate the hunger of some ravenous spaghetti code monster? Or..?
And what should be done about them? Do we just leave them be and never see the glory of an empty Special:Uncategorizedpages? Kestrelguy (talk) 02:06, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

I think they are hidden and protected · Ashe (talk) 02:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

TF95 theme

Can we make TF95 an optional theme you can activate anytime? I love Windows 95 and I love this style.

ClonaClox9999 (talk) 18:35, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I must agree, it’s nice looking
Calcium fiend (talk) 18:39, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Heyo, I'm the one that made the TF95 theme. Glad you guys like it <3. I have thought about making it into a toggleable skin due to the many requests, but no promises. In the meantime, I've put up the code @ pastebin for you to use locally. Simply create the page User:<yourusername>/common.css, or go into Preferences > Appearance, click on 'Custom CSS' then paste the code. You may get some warnings from MediaWiki (the software that the wiki uses) about possible errors; just ignore those and save anyway - it's just due to the formatter that I used. Also, please note that it won't have the dialog box or the popup ad, sadly. User Wookipan Golden Strawberry.png Wookipan (talk | contribs) 19:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Add latest news

I'd like to suggest adding a new field under "Latest updates" mirroring the News section of the Blog. Example. — Tark lm(pt-br) 12:52, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Pictogram plus.png Support
GrampaSwood (talk) 13:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Pictogram plus.png Support User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 16:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Pictogram plus.png Support Mgpt (talk) 16:42, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Pictogram plus.png Support Idk why it didn't exist before · Ashe (talk) 21:02, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Pictogram plus.png Support User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 18:07, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Pictogram tick.png Done. — Tark lm(pt-br) 11:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

long long ago...

It is at this awkward moment the latest blog post is almost 700 days ago, and I was wondering if it will be better showing it like "x Years x Month x Days ago"? I tried to dig through the templates but I can't find the one handling this number.

--AlexT 10:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Find out if this is desired. Then you could write/plagiarize a template.
M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (Talk with Mikado282 (SM)) | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 01:11, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

dyk references

I just noticed that references in dyk sections in main page all got dumped into the bottom of the main page, this does not look nice and maybe there is a better way to handle this? --AlexT 17:25, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Should be fixed soon, I've removed the references and replaced them with square brackets as they should not have references in the first place.
GrampaSwood (talk) 17:33, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

When is the Scream Fortress tag gonna be removed?

So, admins, it’s November 2nd, and it’s past Halloween. When is the Scream Fortress tag gonna be removed? Soldurian (talk) 14:28, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Scream Fortress ends 7 November.
GrampaSwood (talk) 14:31, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Oh.
Soldurian (talk) 14:55, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Compared to the original image, this doesn't look quite right.
Tiagoquix (talk) 13:16, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. Thanks for the heads-up~ — Wookipan (talk | contribs) 19:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
It's correct now. Thank you very much for your attention!
Tiagoquix (talk) 19:59, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Twitter/X

When Twitter is mentioned in references, quotes, or whatever other context, should it still be called Twitter, X or both "Twitter/X", or something else? It's still rebranding but most mostly complete, though Wikipedia is still slow about it. Right now I'm just using Twitter/X for clarity but not to seem outdated.--Leaderboard class allclass.png Akolyth (talk) 19:18, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Generally the site isn't mentioned, as it should be an archived version of it. Simply describing what the link contains is enough (e.g. "Creator confirming reference"). Please also keep discussions not about the Main Page to TFW:Discussion instead of here, as this is about the main page only.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 19:30, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

"Did you know" bugged fact

For me, the "Did you know" fact number four appears as follows:

{{#switch:Main Page|#default=...that you can combine the Atomizer and the Force-A-Nature to perform four jumps in mid-air?|en=...that you can combine the Atomizer and the Force-A-Nature to perform four jumps in mid-air?|ru=...вместе с Расщепителем и Неумолимой силой можно выполнить четвёртый прыжок?|zh-hans=…你可以搭配[[Atomizer}]和Force-A-Nature在半空中完成四段跳?|{{dictionary/items/atomizer}]和force-a-nature在半空中完成四段跳?|null=}}]]

I investigated Template:Did you know, Template:Did you know/main, Template:Did you know/list, and common strings in the dictionary related to DYK, but I couldn't find the problem.
Tiagoquix (talk) 12:37, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Should be fixed (soon), it said {{item link|Atomizer}] instead of {{item link|Atomizer}}, this broke the code.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 12:51, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

The Bot Crisis

Is it a good idea to maybe make a page dedicated about the bot crisis and/or the #SaveTF2 - #FixTF2 Campaign? QwertyPcGaming (talk) 17:19, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Doing that would violate the Community engagement policy. The wiki itself simply can't do something like that, it's against the rules. Individual editors could promote it but the wiki itself can't endorse the campaign because it's not officially endorsed by Valve. Putting #FixTF2 on the main page is going to be a no. Thank you for understanding. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 17:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Additionally, it is in breach of the community websites policy.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 17:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

When will the new blog post (announcing comic #7) be added to the main page?

I understand why it's not up just yet, since it just appeared like 2 hours ago, but I figured I should say something to get the attention of whoever has the permissions to edit the main page. Thanks! Carver2 (talk) 21:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Because I had to upload 330 comic pages individually. Some patience is required.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC)