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Are we hosting April Fools this year?

I know that it's 3 months early to be talking about this topic, but is an April Fools event going to be hosted this year? I'd love it if one is; because I've actually already prepared a draft of the patch notes that are open to the public here. They're set for Open Review, the summary has said nothing but to edit them and help to expand, and I want this event to happen. SkyTBM; inexperienced TF2 Coach, seeking out for the greater good. (talk) 16:55, 4 January 2017 (PST)

Hi. Keep in mind that a simple update page will not be enough, we would need real content. I have tried to revive this project since 2015 but I failed both times, sadly, last year we managed to get together and gather some interesting ideas, but we did not succeed because of lack of content. Anyway, if you want to see our ideas and the update notes from last year please click here and here. — Tark lm(pt-br) 23:18, 5 January 2017 (PST)

Yeah, I know Patch Notes won't be enough. Luckily, I wasn't planning for just patch notes. I have links on the page to content pages (such as weapons and taunts). Not created yet, but that's what I need help with. SkyTBM added the preceding potato comment. (Talk more about potatoes | Contribs) 17:40, 7 January 2017 (PST)

Sometimes my edit bar has a seizure.

Here's what it looks like https://youtu.be/ZlFXMp1MAAE

Not a common occurrence, but definitely also not rare. Anyar (talk) 10:02, 20 February 2017 (PST)

From what I have experienced, the "edit bar" automatically adjusts when it can't fit everything in your current browser window. I have come across this once before if you make the window full screen / reload the page it should go away. If not, try closing your browser entirely, then open it back up again. The program isn't perfect. || twolfe's page || twolfe's talk page 10:08, 20 February 2017 (PST)

Oh. I often switch between a 1920x1080 monitor and a 1366x768 one. That must be it. Thanks! Anyar (talk) 11:05, 20 February 2017 (PST)

Sometimes my wiki layout messes up.

Unlike the edit bar seizure, this one has only been happening recently, and doesn't seem to be limited to one monitor resolution.

Usually it looks like this: [1] Rarely, it changes to this, often when I refresh the page, get an error, and refresh again. [2]

What is this? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anyar (talk) • (contribs)

The wiki is currently experiencing some internal errors, which is why the formatting breaks. 40pxWkPn (Talk | contribs) 05:54, 21 February 2017 (PST)

Not just me then? Yeah, this happens after the page saying there's internal errors. Anyar (talk) 06:05, 21 February 2017 (PST)

This encounters fairly regularly since Valve is neglecting the tf wiki and its servers. — shots fired by: Nikno {Talk | Contribs} 06:12, 21 February 2017 (PST)

Romanian translators anyone?

Are there any romanian translators out there that are still active and willing to give me a hand?I mean, I don't know if you guys have noticed, but there seems to be a lack of my kind around these parts... -- Je love prajitura :D (talk) 09:58, 20 March 2017 (PDT)

Hello. A lot of languages are lacking translators. We'd be much obliged if you contribute to the Romanian section or recruit more translators. There's no active Romanian translator despite you currently. — shots fired by: Nikno {Talk | Contribs} 10:22, 20 March 2017 (PDT)

Where do people get the class images from?

For each cosmetic's article, the gallery contains images for each of the 9 classes, all wearing the cosmetic. Where did they get that image from? Or, how did they make it? ⇒ Anyar (talk/contributions/giveaway) 13:33, 16 April 2017 (PDT)

Those images are usually created with HLMV, please see Help:Model Viewer for more information. 40pxWkPn (Talk | contribs) 14:00, 16 April 2017 (PDT)

Oh, thanks. I didn't manage to check for your reply, sorry for late response. ⇒ Anyar (talk/contributions/giveaway) 16:16, 21 April 2017 (PDT)

What is A TF2 Community?

Hello, I am New to this group And I think i have all my solutions to TF2 Here, But for Now I just wanted to ask What is A TF2 Community How can i join one? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trump (talk) • (contribs)

The tf2 community is simply the name of all the fans and the things related to tf2 that aren't ingame. Padacuw (talk) 18:29, 20 June 2017 (PDT)

Should we delete unused user page files from long-gone users?

A rather sizable number of wiki users haven't been on since 2013 at the latest, and have many unused user page files. Should we delete these files?

Jboby1 (talk) 15:48, 3 September 2017 (PDT)

What if they come back?

I'm fine with deleting talk pages for users who are inactive and don't have a user page, or just the user page of anyone who has been inactive for years and only has a few edits (that were all made within the same timespan).

In other words I'm mostly against user pages that took a lot of effort to make, because it'd be discouraging to come back and find that gone. Thoughts? ⇒ Anyar (talk/contributions/giveaway) 17:01, 3 September 2017 (PDT)

 Oppose Sometimes They Come Back ... (How come I didn't get one of those "He has risen!" do-hickies, TidB? (oh, riiiiight) ;) ... Really, it doesn't hurt anything to leave it all up, there is no valuable benefit to deleting, and it takes labor to decide if the page really should be saved or not, so on the whole, no I see not justification to delete. There is the tradition and policy that no one edits someone else's user space as long as it is conforming to the wiki's policy, and there was no Delete if Inactive Policy at the time of posting. Moreover, Anyar, the one thing that should never be deleted is Talk space, as it is the most formal record of collaboration, and IMO, the oldest records of collaboration are the more valuable, more so if the participants are now inactive. Yes, I know there is a lot of junk images, but that is a matter of opinion, and a lot of just simply unused images, but in the latter only the OP (or admin with cause) should delete it, and under the license, I'm not event sure that is proper. Mikado282 (talk) 19:27, 3 September 2017 (PDT)

I meant the talk pages with the only content being the autowiki bot's welcome message. Don't the pages take up space or something? ⇒ Anyar (talk/contributions/giveaway) 12:23, 4 September 2017 (PDT)

This wiki runs on a toaster with lots of space. The deletions could theoretically be worse than having those pages. — shots fired by: Nikno {Talk | Contribs} 08:05, 5 September 2017 (PDT)

I think you all are misunderstanding my question. I'm asking if we should delete the files that were uploaded by a long-gone user for their userpage, but were never used, or are no longer used. Im not saying we should delete entire userpages.

Jboby1 (talk) 20:31, 3 September 2017 (PDT)

Those unused user files don't hurt as long as they're named correctly. If you want you can of course flag them for deletion if they're unused, but I wouldn't suggest to waste time on it. — shots fired by: Nikno {Talk | Contribs} 01:05, 4 September 2017 (PDT)

Team Fortress discord server

I am currently in the process of making a tf wiki discord server that wiki contributors can talk and discuss things similar to the irc. i am asking for ideas that can be used for the discord server. any ideas that are part of the final server will be listed in a special chat along with the person who came up with said idea. i am also looking someone who could make a logo for the discord server. i am not sure when i will release it but when i do (thats if i ever do) i will announce it in a new discussion along with a link to join it. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Neon man909 (talk) • (contribs)

I'm not sure if that's needed. Personally I like Discord better, but when I proposed the idea of moving from IRC to Discord I got completely shot down. Apparently the differences are that Discord has a cleaner and fancier UI, but IRC has better customization and all that.

FYI you made the same topic twice so I deleted the second one. ⇒ Anyar (talk/contributions/giveaway) 07:07, 8 October 2017 (PDT)

It would probably support your argumentation to present a pro/contra list, since staff doesn't see much pro's in Discord over IRC. — shots fired by: Nikno {Talk | Contribs} 22:48, 8 October 2017 (PDT)

Multi-Class images

I've been thinking about multi-class images. I feel like we should just have one class in the infobox, like the all-class images.

Having 2-4 classes all standing next to each other looks kind of messy and squashes the image too much.

For example, the Deadliest Duckling just has one class. If we had just one class, I feel as if it would be neater and more consistent with everything else 02:36, 14 October 2017 (PDT)

 Support Sounds good. — Tark lm(pt-br) 06:32, 15 October 2017 (PDT)

 Neutral Multi-class images (e.g. the one to the right) look alright to me, but so does the one for Deadliest Duckling. Your call. ⇒ Anyar (talk/contributions/giveaway) 07:01, 15 October 2017 (PDT)

 Support I like the idea. However, I think the limit should be at least two classes. 35pxWkPn (Talk | contribs) 07:55, 17 October 2017 (PDT)

 Comment How about a slow transition between single-class images. MediaWiki has an extension that does exactly this. Brightgalrs (talk) 14:36, 26 October 2017 (PDT)

Voice actor link proposal

If a voice actor has a Wikipedia page, link to that (with [[wikipedia:<NAME>|<NAME>]]) instead of IMDB. This would affect all articles about characters with voice actors as well as Voice actors. Brightgalrs (talk) 14:43, 26 October 2017 (PDT)

Skins and Stranges

Valve's addition to weapon retextures to Team Fortress 2 did seemingly spark some controversy at first, with TF:GO spreading rapidly, and it has been mostly accepted by the community. But did Valve really incorporate this in a way that will benefit their users? I'm not whining about the need to buy keys to open reward crates received through contracts after getting a pass for them, but I do want to address the topic of strange items, stat-clocks and strangifiers and how they 'interact' with war paints and skinned items. To get the topic out of the way, the addition of the civilian grade clock to add strange qualities to your 'common' skins was a nice idea, sure, let's add some value and desire to the lower end of the skin spectrum, but not adding them for the other 'not crate' grades is quite strange. In my opinion, this lack additions decreases value from all other grades of skins, aside from ones which can aquire strange status through key requiring crates. For example, why should I buy or try to obtain a war paint for my scattergun to change its visual appearance if I cannot put it on my strange variant? It seems like a waste, especially considering people will be purchasing war paints to put on their favourite weapons which are likely in strange quality, and few people are going to want to turn down their Hales Own rocket launcher for a default rocket launcher with a changed texture. I believe, to fix this, war paints should either be usable with strange weapons, or, stat clocks should be added for freelance and mercenary grades alongside the civilian grade, to make these variants of weapons more appealing to the community (heads up Valve, this means community market purchases! Yay!).

Who knows, maybe it's just me. But I'm sure that it would be a great addition to the game, considering the past few major updates have included new items which would benefit greatly from said change. Who knows, another somewhat minor update with some additions may also breathe some more life back into the trading community.

Thanks for reading my post. Opinions and feedback would be warmly welcomed, preferably without a side of salt or death threats. Thanks, EJB9 (talk) 08:38, 11 November 2017 (PST)

Difficulty logging in

So far, I have only been able to log in on mobile after much refreshing. I have been unable to log in on desktop and pages take a while to load.

Every attempt to log in results in an error message, “Team Fortress Wiki uses cookies to log in users. You have cookies disabled. Please enable them and try again.”

In addition, average number of edits per day seem to have gone down dramatically over the past three days.

17:14, 20 November 2017 (PST)

We have experienced this on and off again the last couple years. The senior editors seem to understand it a bit better than I.

Preview seems greatly slowed this time.

Yes, I have used mobile editing as a workaround to the log on issue. On the desktop, when repeating the login attempts does not get around the false cookie issue, opening the wiki in another window sometimes shows that I am logged in even though the first window is telling me to try again.

A couple months back, when this was really bad, ICS noticed it and told me that they would talk with somebody at Valve, and overnight, things greatly improved (coincidence?) in time for a few weeks of pre-Halloween editing.

Now that the Jungle Infrerno Update is dying down .... Mikado282 (talk) 05:15, 21 November 2017 (PST) 11:09, 21 November 2017 (PST)

The tip I forgot: Using the "keep me logged in" option avoids the log in problem, once you get in. Just take pains to not forget you password through the resulting non-use. Mikado282 (talk) 11:09, 21 November 2017 (PST)

Teamfortresswiki discord server

Hi, for the past 3-4 months on and off i have been working on a tfwiki discord server, atm it is prety basic, but i would like some people to join and maybye give feedback, help out and just is genral be helpful. Even though it is not necessary to make such server, i have been bored and its been a fun journey so far

https://discord.gg/DZmKRNN

Neon man909 (talk) 05:31, 14 January 2018 (PST)

Hi there,

It appears that you have created this kind of topic before, which has already been discussed; see TFW:Discussion#Team Fortress discord server. I'd also recommend you to take down said server, as it would be considered unofficial. Thanks. 30pxWkPn (Talk | contribs) 06:02, 14 January 2018 (PST)

How to make articles

I just joined the wiki, and I would like to know how to submit an article for the mod Lambda Fortress. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Youporkchop5 (talk) • (contribs)

Hello Porkchop :) I'd advice you to read about article creation either here or here. Have fun. PS: Don't forget to sign off your comments with 4 tildes. Faghetti V.2 (talk) 00:49, 22 January 2018 (PST)

How do you change the title of an infobox?

Hi, I am trying to translate the smissmas cosmetic articels into german but I dont know how to change the title of the infobox and were do you get the inventory pictures? When you take a picture of a cosmetic you didnt make can you still upload a picture of it? Timmy the mini (talk) 16:26, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

1. I would connect with the Translation Community (I'm not there; I only translate English), but I think the autotranslation of the title in the infobox is sort of template-controlled.
2. Inventory Pictures? not me. Usually I find that someone already has uploaded it, especially by the time you are translating.
3. What you can upload: Help:Images Certainly anything under some sort of Valve license -- anything you see in the game. Are you worried about something you found on someone's Workshop page?
4. Oh! Wait! Here! Help:Cosmetic Images.

Mikado282 (talk) 00:58, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Adapting Wikipedia Visual Editor

Is there a way to make it so we can edit using the Wikipedia Visual Editor? That would be a great way to edit easier. BrofessorBeta (Talk | contribs) 16:56, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Error in the Wiki

For some reason, there is a floating "more" just below the arrow next to "view history", is this supposed to be there?

Portal Wiki Down?

For the last week, I've tried to acess the Portal wiki using the VWN link at the bottom of the main page. It appears to be down. Has this been happening for a while, or is it a new problem? Or, worse case scenario, is it not just down, but entirely defunct? Jboby1 (talk) 05:57, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Regarding this, I can confirm that thePortalWiki is still down. Someone please fix. I know I'm not active at all on the TF2Wiki anymore but I'm a moderator over there and want to keep working on things. ~Sven~ (talk) 22:23, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

List of Team Fortress Wikiprojects

I have started a list List of Team Fortress Wikiprojects. This is in part for my own interests, but also as an orientation for new editors. The intention is to make this Team Fortress Wiki:List of Team Fortress Wikiprojects. I would appreciated comment. M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (To Do) 23:09, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

TF2's Halloween Paintings

First post here, but anyone know how to get the Halloween paintings images? Or do we already have them archived here or something? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1544349505 is the type of stuff I'm talking about. I've been looking for this image for ages, but just now figured out where I remember it from (in-game obv). Is it possible to get the picture? Or maybe upload start a wiki page about the paintings Valve made for Halloween?

If you mean the actual file used for the painting, you could extract its texture from tf2_textures_dir.vpk VasyaTheWizard ^{(talk) • (contributions)} 08:04, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Here you go. I believe this was a texture extract, but I can look it for you later. Enjoy. ▪ - 12:12, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

As far as an archive goes, there is no Category AFAIK for textures as such. I wish there was a Category for all textures organized by source (sounds like a Project to me), but as it is, the many images that have been uploaded are scattered in many different categories under Category:Images. Were you only interested in the that one portrait? Other paintings uploaded from from Mann Manor are in Category:Mann Manor images. M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (talk) (To Do) 14:26, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Trivia related to original workshop description/names, as well "SFM Promo Images".

Hi, I've noticed an abundance of information regarding the original workshop submission since 2014 throughout today. For quite some time, information regarding the original workshop content weren't exactly valid trivia (save for a few, usually related to styles not included). However, I feel like most of these trivia related to the original desc/name should not be in here. I will separate them in each category, as well giving my view on each of them (if I support it, or not):

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•  Addition to Steam Workshop Thumbnails on the class gallery
  •  This has been a standard for quite some time now. It makes easier to extinguish Valve-made content from Community-made content just by scrolling to the gallery. I agree in keeping it.

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•  Addition to images featuring the Item Set ("SFM Promo") from Item Sets that were accepted officially (found on Item Sets only, does not count items that has the same theme, but doesn't have official item sets)
  •  I agree on the addition only for actually fully-accepted item sets. The image can be from the SFM promo artwork (usually found on a Item Set collection from the Workshop), and the image should only be included on the related Item Set page, and should not be added to each individual item page.

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•  Addition to images featuring the Item Set ("SFM Promo") from items that share similar looks / items that originated from a collection, but were not added as a full Item Set by Valve
  •  This one I vote for no, there are a ton of cosmetic items that were made to go with Item Sets, that simply got their items added separately, or got only few of the items accepted. Right now, the Wiki has some cosmetic pages with these images, while a lot of other does not have. It's very inconsistent right now, and I feel like these aren't really needed, one can just visit the Workshop submission to see those

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•  Addition to "SFM Promo Art" for any cosmetic item, not related to item sets or unofficial item sets
  •  Disagree. Again, this is really inconsistent across the Wiki, majority of the cosmetic pages does not have SFM Promo Item related to the cosmetic, while some, do. An example of one that has is the Vampire Vanquisher

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•  Trivia/Notes information regarding "This X Item was submitted along Y, Z items".
  •  Disagree. In the past, something similar was made regarding to this, there were a lot of Trivia based on original item sets from the workshop, but all of those were moved to Notes instead. It seems now that there's a whole batch of trivia information about the same thing, mostly because new users added to the Trivia, and not to a new Notes section. I vote for neither keeping on the Trivia, or the Notes page, considering the dense amount of cosmetics we now have on TF2, it would be just too much to edit or to add it in. I have other suggestions to mention the other similar items

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•  Add a new section called "Related Items" on cosmetic pages.
  •  Add a section below the Update History that includes links to related items from unofficial sets, this is not needed for official sets since these already have a table to go with.

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•  Trivia regarding old Workshop names and descriptions
  •  I disagree. This has been for quite some time not enforced as valid Trivia, but, it has been seeing a lot of amount of attention lately with the newer cosmetics. I think it's a bit of a stretch Trivia related to an item's original name, or description. Considering that those are community-created, the authors has any freedom to add what they want, while in-game... some names and descriptions requires changes to sometimes suit the game better, or to avoid copyright issues. Right now, there's way too much information regarding old workshop name/desc, way too much.

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•  Workshop "blurb" for cosmetic's quotation
  •  Disagree. This was rarely used in the past, and would only be used for few cases where no interesting voice lines could be used to a cosmetic, however, recently, a lot of the newer cosmetic pages have only the "blurb", and in most of times, it's from here where people make Trivias related to the original Workshop descriptions. I think it's better left without any quotation (in case no voice line was chosen), than to use the workshop "blurb".

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Please leave your thoughts below on what you think, do you agree with the suggestions I made above, or do you have another look on those? If you agree on all the purposed changes, please add a comment with the  - ({{c|+|}}) attached to your comment, if not, add  - ({{c|-}}) instead. If you want to simply discuss or suggest something else, please use the  - ({{c|?}}) for that.

Thank you. ▪ - 18:41, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

I broadly support Gabrielwoj's comments, so far as they apply to Cosmetics pages, as long as it is understood that Cosmetics pages aren't particularly my focus. Hoewever,

•  Addition to Steam Workshop Thumbnails on the class gallery

•  I didn't mind this, and assumed it acceptable, and also saw it as incidentally promoting the successful projects (e.g., Frontline and Mayann). A can accept that some can see this being abused, but haven't experienced that myself.

•  Trivia regarding old Workshop names and descriptions

•  I disagree. I didn't think this wasn't being enforced, I see such Trivia being deleted, and have deleted it when I caught it. Mind you, in this Event, I haven't monitored the new cosmetic pages, and I haven't checked the Jungle Inferno cosmetics for this violation.

•  Add a new section called "Related Items" on cosmetic pages.
  •  I disagree. If I understand you correctly, you want to use such a section to show the relationship of items that were proposed as a set but set not released as a set. I don't see this as important enough to mention anywhere. If certain of such items are particularly famous, then links in See also could be sufficient.

•  Workshop "blurb" for cosmetic's quotation
  •  I opposed a blanket prohibition of Workshop "blurb" for Cosmetics. OK, yes I may concede that using the Workshop "blurb" is an abusable "easy out". While I do not care for whole cloth copying of huge amount of Workshop blurb, I strongly oppose any suggestion that the quotations draw from voice lines only; IMO, any Valve content is acceptable as long as it conformed to Help:Style guide/Quotes. As long as it is a good Quotation, it is far better than an unrelated Voice line. Note, my exposure to the use of Workshop blurbs (limited to maps) is to selectively crop the best parts. To put a fine point on it, I see no necessity that a Voice line be part of a quotation. Certainly, Comic dialog should be acceptable.

M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (talk) (To Do) 14:36, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks for your views on it, very interesting takes.

To reply a few of your questions... The trivia/information about old name and desc has been scattered throughout a lot of pages, some even on the older item pages, while others in the more recent items. Example of an old item is... (well, it seems that was removed from time, it was on Scout Shako mentioning about the item's name and the original workshop description), while examples for new items are Athenian Attire, Hephaistos' Handcraft and Olympic Leapers.

About the See Also, I think it's okay right now, as you mentioned. However, I've seen some pages just putting cosmetic items that are from the same "hat type" or style, for example, Compatriot, most of the links there on See Also are simply due to an item having an "eagle" on it. I think we shouldn't do that and only focus as how you explained to us. The idea of "Related Items" should probably not be added, but we shouldn't also add too much on the "See Also" section.

I agree on your view on the blurbs. Although, I still see some pages which could have used quotes, but still goes with the blurb. I guess we could use the blurb for placeholders, until someone has a nice and creative quote to put it there. ▪ - 16:38, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

The quotes are an attractive nuisance; nubeditors think they do a service by adding one. I had assumed that nubs were just slaping weak at best viocelines on cosmetics, using the blurb for cosmeticts I haven't seen. Is that new to the SF2018 Cosmetics?

Sometimes the blurb is pretty good.

Aslo, nubs, if you are using a blurb, there is no rule saying you have to use the whole blurb. M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (talk) (To Do) 04:43, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

I see. But we still can use quotes from Official Videos or Comics, I've seen those before. There's a lot of variations to use it too. But yeah, blurbs has the advantage of being quick and able to use specific parts of it.

Yes, that's for the new SF2018 cosmetics, these are just an example, because there are several other examples throughout the Wiki.

I think we should get going with editing some of these stuff. So I guess we should start removing Trivia that originates from original Workshop name/desc, as well Trivia about "item sets"? ▪ - 09:16, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Including "Action taunt" to each respective Class page.

Hey, something that always bothered me is the lack of taunts on the class pages, currently, "Action taunt" are only specified on update Navigation tables, and on the Taunts page, however, I believe there should be a table for the taunts available for a specific class, as well all-class taunts, and perhaps minimizing some of the information found on Taunts. My suggestions are:

• Adding the information found on Taunts to each class page (the current table is fine, and could be directly exported to a class page, for example);
• Rework the "Action taunts" section on the Taunts page to have a similar style table found on "List of Class cosmetic items".

Please leave your thoughts and suggestions below, thanks. ▪ - 20:58, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Team-Colored Styles section

Well, here's something else I've been thinking... There are some items that have a diverse amount of styles, but we currently do not show BLU color Styles. This is a problem for items like Duck Journal, which we just see the default BLU skin, and not all the rest of the duck skins. My suggestion is the following:

• Modify the infobox template to include "Styles". So, for instance, Styles can show up at the infobox (similar on how it looks on Team Captain page), and differing by each team and style. In the case for Duck Journal, the styles available on the infobox would be: None, Scout, Soldier, Pyro, Demoman, Heavy, Engineer, Medic, Sniper, Spy, Quackston Hale. I think it would be important to note when it's a style, perhaps by using a prefix "Style: ".

As we are already on the topic of the infobox, something I also suggest is:

• Add support to non-team colored items for the Infobox Class/Styles section. There is currently a problem on showing off different models per class for items that are not team-colored. An example is Dead Little Buddy, due to the lack of support on the infobox for such, the previews for class differences had to be added below, on the gallery section.

With these changes, I believe that the section about Styles could be removed. And only be mentioned in case the style is only affected by painting.

Leave your thoughts below. Thank you. ▪ - 19:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Something I don't get about clipping cosmetics.

So, something that I don't get about one of the Scout's cosmetics is that the Flak Jack. You can't equip it whilst having the Weight Room Warmer equipped, I personally think that it would look better if you could equip both. Here are some pictures of what it would look like, maybe they could just fix the clipping up in the back. Scout with Weight Room Warmer and without Flak Jack

Scout with both the Weight Room Warmer and the Flak Jack equipped — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rozeyy (talk) • (contribs) 30 December 2018

This is for discussion related to the Wiki, please post your concerns about clipping cosmetics on the Steam Community Discussions. Thanks! VasyaTheWizard ^{(talk) • (contributions)} 17:55, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Question regarding Wikitext source

Hello! I was wondering if it is possible to view the source of a Wiki page without editing it / locking it? Thanks in advance! Tocksi (talk) 20:42, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure of what you mean by "locking it", unless you're speaking of protected articles, in which case can only be performed by the Wiki staff. As for viewing the source of a page without editing, I don't believe we have a read-only mode for editing. Either log out of your account or open a new window in private/incognito mode as it does not preserve your browsing activity . . Wookipan (talk | contribs) 22:15, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

The Wiki has issues loading images with special characters.

Hey. So, a while ago I replaced the image for Brütal Bouffant, and noticed that neither the direct link of the image, or the image on the page is being shown. Upon close inspection, the error code "Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/var/www/html/w/images/0/03/Brtal_Bouffant.png': No such file or directory...", shows that it's trying to find for the "Brtal_Bouffant.png" file, showing that it's not being able to read the "ü" part of Brütal Bouffant. I don't know if this gets fixed by itself over time, but the Brütal Bouffant page looks pretty messy with the error code. ▪ - 23:56, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting this! I've deployed an update to the servers to fix this (exact commit, for interested parties; our new hosting doesn't have the en_US.utf8 locale). Should be all sorted across the site now! -RJ 02:27, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Inclusion of Steam Workshop's original name for the Cosmetic Item / Weapon / Map

Hi. I want to make a small poll and know what people think about this subject. I'd like to know your thoughts on this. Do you...

•  Support keeping the original Workshop names on "...under the name", on the main summary?
•  Or you'd prefer the exclusion of the original Workshop names on the page, removing the "...under the name" section.

Please leave a small insight and thoughts about your vote decision. Here mine:

•  - I think we should remove the name from the pages. We had previously decided to remove information regarding trivia to old workshop names (as well information about unreleased styles or other content). There's some Workshop names which are just codenames (Crone's Dome being "Loss of witches (Bastinda_2012)"), and some of them having phrases on the name (such as Insulated Inventor's "Insulated innovator: V wow this keeps happening"). Most of the time, the original names serve no real purpose, as trivia regarding the name are no longer being supported, and these are left just occupying unnecessary space on the page.

Hopefully, with this discussion, we can decide in either keeping them or not, and resolve the confusion we are having at the moment. ▪ - 16:26, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

•  - I never saw aby purpose in mentioning their original workshop names, as ultimately Valve decides to keep the name or not of items (save for maps), and the name of the item on workshop is like really not that important - besides that, the viewer can check the original name himself, by checking the workshop page, so it's quite redundant to note that in the article. Goodjob (talk) 16:33, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

•  Equivocating 2 Specific to mentioning the development name in the Lead. I wondered if the practice was grandfathered. I did some checking, the form was established two months after the Workshop opened with the release of the first of the Workshop items.

From the December 22, 2011 edit of BFD: 'The Big Elfin Deal was contributed to the game via the Steam Workshop, with the name "The Elf".'

So, actually, its not like it is a new thing, in spite of my impressions or questionable recollections, or suggestions, otherwise. It really has "always been done that way." But, Gabrielwoj makes some great points, some of the "names" are really unimpressive at best. I don't think the old names are important, but maybe someone thought they were. But, we've chatted about this on and off for a few months, at least since it got cold, and no support for keeping them. M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (Help Wanted!) 04:03, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

 Equivocating 3 A candidate for keeping, which was deleted, was Monster Mash, it is a notorious name IRL, but Valve had copyright reason, so thought, but maybe there real issue was style. IMO, much of the time, I don't care about the pre-release name. But I also don't care about detailed descriptions in the cosmetic leads, or detailed recapitulations of comics int their supposed Synopses. 23:52, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

•  Strong support for keeping the original workshop names in the main summary This change is so tiny it barely affects anything, and I like seeing the original names; sometimes having their own little references or just giving an example what the name could have been, which is enjoyable to me as a reader. If we truly wanted to remove this small addition, all those sentences would be 'This item was contributed to the Steam Workshop' which seems lifeless and is just saying what's already in the infobox, which actually makes readability worse. The arguments above, the names sometimes being codenames or having phrases in them are pure cherrypicking and don't portray accurately what the original names usually are - we could always remove such names on a case-by-case basis. And of course, the argument 'just occupying unnecessary space on the page' is pointless as we are literally talking about just a few words here. { TidB | t | c } 10:39, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

There's pros and cons on keep the original workshop names. The pros being: Sometimes it can be interesting, older names can be better than the new names, and it's also useful for those who make images (as most of the time, the folder name for a cosmetic is based on the original workshop name). Although, there's a few cons, such as: workshop names being changed after being accepted in-game (so it would require removal of the name in a future edit), workshop names with codenames (like Crone's Dome), or workshop names with actual phrases in it. Other issues that comes with Workshop original names is that it makes new users include trivia regarding the old name, which we decided to drop these types of trivia (I'd say the same for the publicity blurb, but that was discussed before, so). I kinda stopped removing the workshop names (I did for like 15 items, then someone asked to me why, and then I halted my edits), but I know some editors are removing when making improvements to the page. It's something that is still debatable, nonetheless. ▪ - 14:18, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

The cache system is way too slow.

Hi. The cache system on the Wiki, ever since it was migrated to MediaWiki 2.0 (I think, I just know that it the main framework was updated), has ever since been very slow. I tend to upload a lot of images, and a lot of times, I have to wait for days for an image to catch up, I almost can't ever check if my work looks good on the page, requiring me to check only when the image is finally fully cached. Here's an example, an image I recently updated.

The problem is that the old image size from the previous revision gets used for the new image, and so it stretches very poorly on the page. Other times, the image seems to be properly sized, but still appears blurry in the page, as shown here on Weight Room Warmer, which in case of that image, it was uploaded in 14:07, 22 January 2019, almost 1 month later and the image is still not fully cached.

And other times, the images doesn't properly update at all, as seen on Assassin's Attire, some paint variant tables (that were uploaded around 16:37, 7 July 2018) show up the previous version instead. I'm not sure if this is a case of the cache or something else, but even when I attempted re-uploading the file, it didn't worked.

I remember I didn't had these issues on the previous MediaWiki. Would there be a way to improve the time for the cache system, or perhaps optimize it somehow? I've worked and been into other Wikis, and this is the only one which I see this problem happening. The Weight Room Warmer pic was just an example, but there's other images around the Wiki having the same or similar problems (some from old uploads, other from recent modifications). Thanks. ▪ - 20:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Documentation about Abuse Report and Bug Report on the Wiki?

Hi. I think the Wiki should have a page related to the Abuse Report system ('F7' key). I started to wonder if something was already covered, but apparently, the only mention of it seems to be on List of default keys. I also think we should document Bug Reporting as well. The addition to Bug Reporting could facilitate users who wants to report a game-breaking bug (for the Finder's Fee hat), although, I really don't know if in-game bug report system works for that. As for the Abuse Report system, we got pages for Coaching, the Workshop button on the main menu, Options, especially sprays, as well many other stuff. I think a page about it should be documented. ▪ - 22:00, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

If I understand you correctly, since the wiki has articles for Coaching, the Workshop button on the main menu, and Options, then, for completeness there should be Report Player (Abuse Report) and Report Bug/Bug Report articles.

Technically, while there is a Workshop button on the Main Menu, the Steam Workshop covers the whole Valve interface rather than the MM button. And I don't see any broad "Options" article.

That said, Report Player (Abuse Report) and Report Bug/Bug Report do seem to be long-missing articles, as long as they focus on the Team Fortress 2 interface, especially as a how to.

M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (Help Wanted!) 00:19, 14 March 2019 (UTC) 23:47, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

I attempted writing a page for it, it's currently on my sandbox. I named specifically "Abuse Reporter", that's how the game calls it by the in-game tip that is shown on the loading screen. I haven't taken any screenshots related about it, but please let me know what you think. You may edit the page if you see any mistakes or that you think section should be rewritten. The page is currently a "stub", even though I haven't actually added the template. I was thinking about adding the information that the rules applied to the report has to be followed from the Steam Subscriber Agreement, but I couldn't find any info regarding if these reports are really complied by those same rules. - ▪ - 23:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

As far as content, I have no idea of anything to do with abuse reporting, so keep going. M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (Help Wanted!) 23:58, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

The new talk page layout

I've noticed that some talk pages, mostly new ones, have this new, weird layout style which is way more different than the normal talk page. Example: Talk:Operation Memes vs Machines. Not only is this talk page laggy and annoying to deal with, but it also doesn't show replies half the time. I wanted to reply to a reply, so first I had to do some weird refresh magic to get the reply to pop up, but then when I finished my reply, the layout asked me to do "the captcha below," but no matter how many times I did it, there was no captcha. Does anyone know how to disable this, or are we just stuck with this? BeingAwesom (talk · contribs) 03:10, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

It should be removed soon. See TFW:Technical requests#StructuredDiscussions. — Tark lm(pt-br) 04:49, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

FWIW, BeingAwesom, I did respond the Shadows topic that prompted this topic, my original response didn't show then showed until I fix a typo and hasn't been seen since. You can see my response if you search through the history. M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (Help Wanted!) 17:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)