Team Fortress Wiki talk:Weapon Demonstration/Archive 38

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Loose Cannon

 This demonstration has been reserved: Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 16:21, 20 December 2012 (PST)

New weapons are release, if you want to make a weapon demonstration with this weapon, I can let you borrow mine. MassacreJr 16:03, 20 December 2012 (PST)

I'll give it a shot. I think I can get it myself. --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 16:21, 20 December 2012 (PST)

Sorry it's taking a while; the 3-way split is tough to do in Sony Vegas, even with the cookie cutter effect (the split is to show that no matter how long you charge the bomb, it doesn't change when it blows up). The demonstration will contain elements from both the loch n load demo and the beggar's bazooka (i.e. charge damage). --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 20:11, 31 December 2012 (PST)

 question Are you going to demonstrate that the cannonballs are round(ish, Source's physics engine doesn't have true spheres), and as such there is more control over controlling the bounce / roll of them than the stock grenades? --Org 13:20, 3 January 2013 (PST)

That's interesting, not sure how easy it would be to demonstrate though. With a vertical split-screen of grenade launcher vs loose cannon and showing how both projectiles tend to bounce? Even then I'm not sure it'll be very clear. But it's worth trying to demonstrate — Wind 13:31, 3 January 2013 (PST)

That'd be pretty clear in my mind: Put a soldier a ways away. Fire for shells from both, have them roll at the sniper. The GL hits maybe one or two with some crazy bounces, and all four LC shots hit. Soldier dies, obvious difference. Darkid (|) 13:48, 3 January 2013 (PST)

With the low damage of rolling cannonballs I'd suggest one of the 125 classes. --Org 00:59, 5 January 2013 (PST)

Well, here's the first version of it, and yes, I'm aware of the crit sound. This is just to see what can be added/improved. --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 20:45, 5 January 2013 (PST)

 opinion I think you need to show the projectile speed (Hidden status: +50% projectile speed) and timing of the grenade. (Compare it with Grenade Launcher) Hinaomi (talk) • (contributions) 21:31, 5 January 2013 (PST)

Projectile speed is not consistently demonstrated so it can't really be imposed, but it is demonstrated in Direct Hit which is sort of the equivalent of this weapon (faster projectile, less effective on ground contact) for the other explosive-using class, so I guess it should be demonstrated here too. And yes that crit sound needs fixing. Rest is good~ — Wind 12:07, 9 January 2013 (PST)

vdc:Prop_sphere Looks like they could theoretically have used this. Probably didn't.--Henke37 06:44, 14 January 2013 (PST)

I did not know that. Just assumed since with all my time playing with Source games I never encountered anything that looked like a sphere and acted like a sphere. Alright for my own edification I'll open it up in the model viewer and see what the bomb's collision looks like. (When I get home that is) --Org 07:58, 15 January 2013 (PST)

Hopefully this will do it for you guys. --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 13:09, 17 January 2013 (PST)

Disregard that last post; I forgot to add a fade out effect for one scene. It is fixed, now. --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 21:05, 17 January 2013 (PST)

Is good, please upload~ (also nice youtube id, you almost got all uppercase) — Wind 21:53, 17 January 2013 (PST)

Whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on just a second. Shouldn't you also demonstrate that the "misfire" can be used as an explosive jump (like the Beggar's Bazooka)? --Hermit527 16:47, 22 January 2013 (PST)

I thought that, too, and when I gave it a shot, the misfire had little to no force to propel me up in the air nor make me travel a distance like the Beggar's Bazooka could. In other words, it wasn't worth demonstrating. In fact, it moved me in a direction that was far from the expected direction. --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 11:04, 23 January 2013 (PST)

Alright then, please upload~ — Wind 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)

Memory Maker

 This demonstration has been reserved: - Uufje 04:16, 21 December 2012 (PST)

If there's a special requirement for this item, I might need some help with the whole "item.txt" thing or whatever that file is to edit your inventory. --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 18:54, 29 November 2012 (PST)

There isn't a special requirement, should be similar to the Conscientious Objector I'd think — Wind 22:22, 29 November 2012 (PST)

Is this getting the same 'super high quality' treatment as the saxxy? — Armisael (T · C) 09:59, 1 December 2012 (PST)

No, also please don't use <br/> — Wind 14:44, 11 December 2012 (PST)

If anyone wants to do this, be my guest; I could never get that items.txt file to work properly anyway. --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 16:21, 20 December 2012 (PST)

I'll take it then, my items_game.txt works fine. - Uufje 04:16, 21 December 2012 (PST)

After a few upload problems (gotta love YouTube) it's done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRokXK0zlYg - Uufje 14:23, 28 December 2012 (PST)

Non jiggle at handle? :( Hinaomi (talk) • (contributions) 16:15, 28 December 2012 (PST)

I think we should kind of give up jigglebones unless a workable solution is found. — Wind 18:27, 28 December 2012 (PST)

Is good except one things: The fades between the classes are too long. Half a second is good. Should be a small readjustment — Wind 18:27, 28 December 2012 (PST)

I couldn't get jigglebones to work either, so unfortunately I had to scrap them. Anyway, here's one with half a second of fade: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtoY7rLiiWw - Uufje 09:31, 29 December 2012 (PST)

Is good, please upload~ — Wind 13:09, 31 December 2012 (PST)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4-2Xsrp3Z86ODQ4eTcwc3U3clk/edit - Uufje 09:26, 1 January 2013 (PST)

This file is not publicly downloadable — Wind 13:31, 3 January 2013 (PST)

Whoops! Fixed. - Uufje 13:36, 3 January 2013 (PST)

Please use lossy compression - the saxxy demo is the only one that goes up losslessly. — Armisael (T · C) 07:10, 5 January 2013 (PST)

Sorry, this should be better: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4-2Xsrp3Z86YW1LWVprR1lGSjQ/edit?pli=1 - Uufje 09:50, 5 January 2013 (PST)

Quackenbirdt

 This demonstration has been reserved: - Uufje 03:22, 19 November 2012 (PST)

All it needs to do are same as Invisibility Watch. Hinaomi (talk) • (contributions) 16:13, 16 November 2012 (PST)

Quack quack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lev3Ez0GqKY - Uufje 07:28, 23 November 2012 (PST)

some issue i found out :

• Loadout clip is too longer , make it 4-5 seconds.
• at 0:15 the voice menu is still visible.
• at 3:01 glitched popdown.
• you should show wait for the clock recharge.

if you could render all the clips with srcdemo2 that would be nice. Karmacharger 4:03 , 11/26/2012 (PDT)

It would be nice but it's not a requirement. However, if you used Source Recorder for this (which you should) then you can afford rendering at a higher framerate than this. The current framerate is acceptable though; it's just that if you can do better, why not do better, right? Also, on this one you didn't have the spy disguise menu glitch. You may want to do whatever you did here to your other demo.

Now for other matters:

• Glitchy box thing at 3:01 indeed
• That clip goes too fast between different states (cloaking, moving, shooting). Do it more slowly, look at the regular cloak demonstration. It shows things both ways and it waits a few seconds between everything it demonstrates

The voice menu thing isn't a big issue since you are using voice commands to begin with. It's an issue when it appears at times when it shouldn't, but that's not the case here — Wind 21:40, 26 November 2012 (PST)

I don't use SrcDemo² for these long demonstrations because it would take super-long to record. I'll try to mess with the framerate for next videos though. Anyway, I hope this is better: http://youtu.be/9NXQwW7xVnQ - Uufje 15:14, 28 November 2012 (PST)

Such a demonstration should only take a couple of hours to render at a decent framerate. If you want, you can render a coarse version for review, and if approved render a higher-framerate version and submit that as original file (just make sure to double check that it rendered fine). Other than that, the cloak blink clip still doesn't show it in two directions and ends too early, killcam is barely finished moving >: The pacing is better but still a little fast — Wind 22:22, 29 November 2012 (PST)

Sorry this is taking so long but it's hard to find someone else with a Quackenbirdt. Is it really necessary to show it in both directions? I can fix the other things but if that's a requirement I don't think I'll be able to do this, unless someone here has one and is able to help me record that clip - Uufje 04:16, 21 December 2012 (PST)

Yes it's necessary, but it's not necessary to have a real Quackenbirdt to do it. You can get away with replacing the invisibility watch model with the Quackenbirdt model and that should do it — Wind 15:00, 22 December 2012 (PST)

Or if you're lazy to edit item.txt, just ask me to borrow it if you want. Hinaomi (talk) • (contributions) 17:04, 22 December 2012 (PST)

I bought one, it was just 1 ref. I hope this is better. The name is Quäckenbirdt instead of Quackenbirdt because the one I bought had that name... not sure why it was changed here on the wiki. I didn't change tf_english, so I believe this must be the correct name. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--nftm_Mj4Q - Uufje 13:36, 31 December 2012 (PST)

dat engineer is a pyro 2:03 --/_|theguy299|talk|contribs|_\ 05:50, 1 January 2013 (PST)

dat Spy is a Demo 2:50 - Uufje 06:09, 1 January 2013 (PST)

Is good, please upload~ — Wind 13:31, 3 January 2013 (PST)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4-2Xsrp3Z86ekVwdWo0aHJsU2c/edit - Uufje 05:47, 4 January 2013 (PST)

Please use lossy compression - the saxxy demo is the only one that goes up losslessly. — Armisael (T · C) 07:10, 5 January 2013 (PST)

Sorry, this should be better: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4-2Xsrp3Z86XzJQWGhPT3pMbjg/edit?pli=1 - Uufje 09:50, 5 January 2013 (PST)

Prize Plushy

 Pyroland assists

 This demonstration has been reserved: Karmacharger 8:38 , 1/22/2013 (PDT)

i don't have the item so need to wait until it tradable. Karmacharger 8:38 , 1/22/2013 (PDT)

Without .Dem for this demonstration would that be fine? i can replace the item to teddy roosevelt. Karmacharger 7:29 , 1/26/2013 (PDT)

Alright, you can do it without .dems — Wind 12:54, 30 January 2013 (PST)

http://youtu.be/cd33QGezgd0 , Download link Karmacharger 6:37 , 2/1/2013 (PDT)

Is good, please upload~ — Wind 23:03, 7 February 2013 (PST)

lol i did :) Karmacharger 4:29 , 2/8/2013 (PDT)

derp — Wind 23:51, 11 February 2013 (PST)

Ubersaw

I was thinking that maybe the Ubersaw needs to be redone. One thing, it needs to show that you can gain uber from Scouts using Bonk! Another that is considerable is showing whether or not you can gain uber from an ubered enemy. I'm already recording the first part, I just would like a Scout to use.--Lilchris9 21:28, 22 February 2013 (PST)

This question has been asked a lot of times, the base answer is "no". The reason being--Should we demonstrate madmilk with bonk? How about overlapping with water? There become too many factors (and too many revisions) too quickly. Darkid (|) 06:11, 23 February 2013 (PST)

What about gaining uber from sandman-stunned people? What about those that are stunned because of that taunt of another Medic? What about gaining uber from fully charged Medics? etc. It's untractable and impractical to demonstrate all the possibilities — Wind 19:18, 28 February 2013 (PST)

Disguise Kit

Hey, I think on the Disguise Kit weapon demonstration, it should show that when you disguise, hats, miscs and non-stock weapons will show up because for quite sometime when I first played TF2, I used to think spies can only disguise with the default loadout. --Navi 10:56, 8 January 2013 (PST)

I'd think most people who remember that have since then realized that this is not the case anymore. And for people who don't remember that, then this would be useless to demonstrate (and probably look confusing) — Wind 12:07, 9 January 2013 (PST)

Also, they haven't shown that you can be burned if you disguised as Pyro. --Navi 12:46, 8 January 2013 (PST)

That one I guess is a good thing to demonstrate, but by itself it isn't enough to deserve redoing the video. But something to keep in mind for next time I think — Wind 12:07, 9 January 2013 (PST)

Enthusiast's Timepiece

 Needs to show that you can't cap points or intel while cloaked.

 This demonstration has been reserved: Karmacharger 1:40 , 1/12/2013 (PDT)

• 1st time doing this, wish me luck ^_^ Scoot-teh-Destroyer 11:32, 2 October 2012 (PDT)
• Any reccomend actions for the map I should use to demonstrate the inability to capture control points while invisible? I was thinking Dustbowl, but I think a king of the hill map would better suit it... Scoot-teh-Destroyer 06:54, 3 October 2012 (PDT)
  • Do what the Medi Gun demo does and use Badlands. -- Ragnar Homsar - (Talk) 08:00, 3 October 2012 (PDT)
• k thx :3 Scoot-teh-Destroyer 08:01, 3 October 2012 (PDT)
• ok I'll have it by the end of this weekend ;) Scoot-teh-Destroyer 06:16, 4 October 2012 (PDT)
  • Ok I have no idea why this is happening but my demos don't play smoothly (like other demos, especially the most recent ones) even though I followed all the rules and it was set on max graphics... I don't have a computer powerful enough to run TF2 in max settings, but the Demo page on the wiki says it doesn't matter... Is it my computer or how i rendered it which is causing this?

Define 'play smoothly' - if the video lags while playing it, it is most likely a compression issue. Recompress it. If you mean the video doesn't have frame blending from srcdemo2, then you've done something wrong. Pigophone 15:57, 4 October 2012 (PDT)

• Did not have frame blending in my mind while doing it ill have it redone :p Scoot-teh-Destroyer 05:57, 5 October 2012 (PDT)
• Ok one last issue and I will be able to record without any issues... I need Java for 32bit computers... Anybody got a link? I have a 64bit computer btw, so looking for 32bit Java is really hard on this computer. Scoot-teh-Destroyer 08:12, 6 October 2012 (PDT)
  • You can download Java here. Pick a JRE or a JDK (whichever), and then on the next page you can download it for Windows x86 (32-bit) or x64 (64-bit).
  • Since this is your first demo, I suggest that you first submit a sample clip (10 seconds or something) of whatever you want, just to check the video/audio quality. If you're going to use demo files and SrcDemo2 then it's a pretty good start, and it means you probably won't have to reshoot if the video ends up being bad in quality, but it's not the only thing that matters (video codec, quantizer settings, audio codec, A/V synchronization, etc.). So in order to check for all those things, I suggest submitting such a clip~ — Wind 16:08, 7 October 2012 (PDT)
• Ok sure thing... I'll send a clip done with Srcdemo2 in a lil' :p. [edit] it's not launching... so right now im using vdub and a very high host_framerate for the sample :I. Scoot-teh-Destroyer 18:59, 7 October 2012 (PDT)

I think we should give Scoot-teh-Destroyer as much time as he needs because this is his first time doing a demonstration and it's even a Spy watch which is not the easiest thing to do Ben10508 19:30, 7 October 2012 (PDT)

I'm taking this demo because Scoot-teh-Destroyer seems to be having trouble. Ben10508 14:54, 22 October 2012 (PDT)

This may take just a bit longer, Spy watches are not too easy. Ben10508 13:01, 26 October 2012 (PDT)

I noticed that after the big Halloween update, my shading is different than usual. Not sure if this is happening to anyone else. Pretty sure it is because of the update and not my computer itself. Here is an example. I was working with Akuago for this. Ben10508 21:34, 26 October 2012 (PDT)

Something is definitely odd here. Maybe check if it's adjustable through from special variable, or perhaps postpone this until the event is over (reservation should stand) — Wind 13:05, 27 October 2012 (PDT)

My original shading is now back so I can now render the clips but I've noticed this flashing purple square thing at the bottom. Here is an example. I rendered and used the first clip. Ben10508 11:40, 6 November 2012 (PST)

I have that too... I solve it by setting up a map (by using the map command) first, the demo's played after that don't display the purple thingy anymore. - Uufje 15:47, 6 November 2012 (PST)

That's the wheel of fate HUD element, which causes problems with newer demos. You can either re-record the demo, or edit your HUD to move that element off-screen. — Armisael (T · C) 16:43, 6 November 2012 (PST)

@Ben10508 , to fix that flashing purple square you need to start a random map and play the demo again then the flashing purple square should be gone. Karmacharger 7:04 , 11/9/2012 (PDT)

I am dropping this demonstration and the Bonk! Atomic Punch demonstration. Feel free to take my reservation. Ben10508 12:59, 14 December 2012 (PST)

Everythings is finished but i got a problem about playing demos i belive image would be easy to explain , it doesn't show it while recording , only show when i play the demo (show for 16 seconds) , is there a console command to disable/hide that? as for the Invisibility Watch Demo the last clip it has the samething too , that's why i waited 16 seconds before i start the moment , hope you know how to get rid of that. Karmacharger 10:32 , 1/17/2013 (PDT)

I think you could fix that by doing a HUD edit but I don't really know what to edit. However, here's another idea:

• Render the demo (with the thing showing for 16 seconds)
• Do cl_drawhud 0
• Render the demo again
• Import both renders in Vegas on top of one another, on two video tracks. Put the cl_drawhud 0 version above the other one.
• Add a mask to the top video track so that it only shows the part where the annoying HUD box would be in the first version

This way you should have a video with the HUD box in the middle removed.

Otherwise, just do the same as you did before (wait 16 seconds at the beginning of the demo) — Wind 21:53, 17 January 2013 (PST)

http://youtu.be/y-nYJ8c69Ng , i know there are graphic glitch. vegas pro keep render the samething over and over (like 7 times) just the part between Blu buildings clip to Red buildings clip but still let me know if i'm doing well. Karmacharger 1:51 , 1/25/2013 (PDT)

Looks all good except that graphic glitch~ — Wind 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)

it might be takes a while to get a perfect version but i'll try my best Karmacharger 4:31 , 1/25/2013 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/6GAM4NhrVQA , i belived adding fades is only the way to get rid of the glitchs. For some reason WMV format works perfectly also disabled resample for each clip so that my video won't have motion after the render. Karmacharger 1:22 , 1/26/2013 (PDT)

Not sure what you mean by disabling resampling. If you used SrcDemo2 then your video frames should already be 30fps which should be the same as your video export options, thus not resampling needs to happen, which means having it on or off shouldn't change anything. But anyway, that video is good, please upload~ — Wind 12:54, 30 January 2013 (PST)

Part one , Part two. the resample is a motion blur something like that on sony vegas , for example watch the Red-Tape Recorder Demo i'm sure you've noticed motion blur in every single part Karmacharger 1:31 , 1/31/2013 (PDT)

I know what resampling is, I just don't see what effect it would have if you have a 30fps clip within a 30fps video. Resampling is the process of blending frames together to go from a higher framerate to a lower framerate, or interpolating frames in order to go from a lower framerate to a higher framerate. But resampling from a framerate to the same framerate shouldn't do anything, it would simply be a frame-by-frame copy. As such, I don't see why that would change anything if you render pre-blended 30fps clips in the first place. But hey if it procudes a good video then alright — Wind 21:53, 30 January 2013 (PST)

Half-Zatoichi

 This demonstration has been reserved: Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 16:36, 16 February 2013 (PST)

•  Shows red team skins on blue.
•  Shows that it one-hits enemies actively weilding, but does not show not one-hitting enemies that have it in their loadout, but not actively weilded.

Today's patch fixed the wrong sleeve color bug. The current video shows the user dying in one hit with it out. Just add on after that him surviving one hit with the rl out, then switch to shotgun, and survive that hit, then switch to zatoichi and die. Isildur4 17:19, 14 February 2013 (PST)

I'll take this on. Yeah, I'm back...again. Lol. Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah... 18:40, 14 February 2013 (PST)

Then I guess this will be another case of whose revision will be better, yours or the original creator's (me). --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 09:12, 15 February 2013 (PST)

If I were you I'd do one of the non-reserved ones Mr. Vinderack >: Less duplicated effort~ — Wind 14:28, 16 February 2013 (PST)

Talked to Akuago. He can have the demonstration. :> Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah... 16:28, 16 February 2013 (PST)

This should hopefully do it, especially with the added clip. Download it here. --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 08:38, 18 February 2013 (PST)

All good, thanks~ — Wind 15:02, 22 February 2013 (PST)

Huo-Long Heater

 Revving down sound effect is missing during demonstration of ring of flames (Seen at 1:17 in demonstration video).--Hermit527 19:50, 30 December 2012 (PST)

True but barely noticeable, not really a huge deal — Wind 13:09, 31 December 2012 (PST)

Shouldn't there be a three-screen comparison that shows the Minigun firing, the Heater firing, and the Heater revved, but not firing? It can show how long it takes for the ammo to drain without shooting compared with firing.--Uknownada 13:18, 14 January 2013 (PST)

Power Up Canteen

 This demonstration has been reserved: Karmacharger 3:13 , 10/21/2012 (PDT)

Uploaded video has some minor mistakes.

 · The video has to show, that you can attack while being Ubercharged. This part of a video makes a feeling, that you can't.
 · You can show, that it is available for all classes, but the demonstration itself could be made by Engineer only to short the time.
 · Video didn't show that Crits bottle increases Sentry's shooting speed. One more point for Engineer demonstration.
 · Video didn't show Medic's ability to share the effect.
What do you think about it? Limie Pie 00:12, 24 September 2012 (PDT)

All important points - especially the Sentry firing speed one, as that isn't explained very well in-game. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 04:34, 24 September 2012 (PDT)

And it needs to be shown that "Building Upgrade" can do that building that is under the constructing can go to level 3 and don't have to construct no more. --InstantMan 16:40, 24 September 2012 (PDT)

@Cooper Kid, I think it really need to show because it'll appear when equipped Canteen with Crits, even it isn't explained very well. Hinaomi (talk) • (contributions) 07:49, 24 September 2012 (PDT)

First one isn't really important but if we're going to redo it, might as well fix that. Second one is to show which classes have access to which upgrades and for consistency with the way that multi-class items are demonstrated. It's not ideal but it's not too bad either. Third one and fourth one are pretty important.

While we're at it, two other things:

• Someone in the comments says that while the instant-upgrade canteen is active, you can build new buildings and they will instantly be upgraded. Is that true?
• Someone in the comments says that we should use the MvM music for this. I agree, it makes a nice change, same as using the saxxy music for Saxxy

— Wind 18:45, 24 September 2012 (PDT)

also, it should show that upgrade canteens heal buildings, but do not restock ammo. Isildur4 09:38, 2 October 2012 (PDT)

Alright — Wind 16:08, 7 October 2012 (PDT)

i'm ready to redo this one , so wind could you tell me ALL the things need to show? i don't really want to miss something. Karmacharger 7:36 , 10/13/2012 (PDT)

Things i found out , that are probably should show in this redo:

• Medic , "Share Canteens" you can share the effects of your Canteen to who you are currently healing
• Engineer , using "Übercharge" you can uber your sentry too Only Sentry
• Enguneer , using "Critical Hit Boost" can increase doubles firing rate of user's Sentry Gun for 5 seconds

Well that's all i found , did i missed something? Karmacharger 11:50 , 10/16/2012 (PDT)

Does the "ammo" one refill sentry ammo? If so, then that should be shown. Should also show that it refills engineer metal and spy cloak — Wind 21:03, 16 October 2012 (PDT)

No , it won't i tested in game. Karmacharger 1:41 , 10/17/2012 (PDT)

Pretty sorry for a loooong time because of holiday... anyway the video is almost finish it had some issue after i posted the video I'll tell you what kind of issue it is and also can you delete the .dem on here , I'll will re-upload again after the video get accepted. Karmacharger 3:52 , 10/30/2012 (PDT)

I may delete them once the new video is accepted, but it's alright to have multiple versions of the same demonstrations. That's why there's a date in the file names; that way you can get the .dem for a certain date. Useful when Valve decides to revert a weapon's behavior or something — Wind

heres the video 05:49 i know the sound is cut'd but the sound is fine when i play the demo first time how do i get rid of that? medic ammo refill clip the scout part i don't know why its lags but I'll re-record it. as for the sniper upgrade clip i don't know again why it show me the Building Upgrade... watch it and you will find out what i mean. Karmacharger 2:35 , 10/31/2012 (PDT)

For the medic ammo sharing clip, there is a too long wait at the beginning where nothing happens, and you should mute one of the two clips, otherwise we can hear the canteen being used twice at the same time. For the video in general, the audio loop is kind of bad (there's this point where it repeats and it's audible). It's also a very short music, but for a long video like this, you should use the longest song so that we don't hear the same thing over and over 22 times for 11 minutes. Use the cp_steel training song or something.

For the sound thing, I don't know, but you can just play the demo (not render, just play) and record the audio with Fraps or Audacity or something.

For the sniper clip, you should probably restart your game or reload the UI and then re-record the demo to get rid of this

For the engineer mini-sentry clip, you should use a vertical split-screen. It is hard to see what's happening with the big toolbox/sentry using a lot of screen space, and the robot heavy is only half visible because the screen is small. Also, why a minisentry? You should be able to show this with a normal level 1 sentry

Spy cloak... didn't recharge. Is the wiki wrong? (omg!) Also, does it recharge the sapper bar? Maybe it's worth showing that too, whether it does or doesn't — Wind 22:20, 31 October 2012 (PDT)

The reason why i use mini sentry was , because there is no way i can build a lvl 1 sentry before the wave started , after started i can but it won't let me add bots. and the "Weapon Demonstration Splitscreen HUDs_0" does not Include MvM Hud should it be update? sapper recharge bar i think it worth to show. Karmacharger 4:05 , 11/1/2012 (PDT)

i am back , sorry i can't make videos a while because my graphic card is Dead. I have to wait for the company fix the graphic card before i can work :( but I'll promise i will finish the work after that. Karmacharger 12:54 , 11/9/2012 (PDT)

Is alright — Wind 20:17, 13 November 2012 (PST)

Hope this is better. Karmacharger 5:52 , 11/27/2012 (PDT)

I think there are some interlacing issues going on :( This needs fixing in the video editor properties or render settings (Note that once you deinterlace, the file size needs to be doubled to keep the same amount of visual quality). Clips are good though~ — Wind 21:40, 26 November 2012 (PST)

By the way , in sony vegas pro 11 there are a option to turn that interlacing thingy off. once i set it to "none" then i'll start render the video after a short time , it gives me a error "Vegas pro has stopped working" i'll set the option to default. then render it again it is fine then... but the interlacing is still there. Karmacharger 11:26 , 11/28/2012 (PDT)

Well I'm sorry but you need to find some way of not having it >: Try to render to another video codec or something, or if you say that it crashes after a short time then maybe you can render the video in multiple small parts, and then glue them together — Wind 22:22, 29 November 2012 (PST)

http://youtu.be/cyuZZGx9Vxs just a preview Karmacharger 7:02 , 11/30/2012 (PDT)

Is good, though it doesn't seem as crisp as the previous version. Remember that deinterlacing means the video should be about twice the size of the previous version in order to maintain the same quality, so make sure you increwase the bitrate/lower the quantizer appropriately. Also, if you're going to render in multiple small parts and then put them back together, make sure you're either using a lossless codec for rendering the small parts, or using a lossy codec that you can directly concatenate streams of (which is to say, "[video stream 1] + [video stream 2] = [valid video stream]"). Otherwise you will reencode the same thing twice, which causes unecessary quality loss that would require to use an even higher bitrate/lower quantizer to counter — Wind 16:22, 30 November 2012 (PST)

http://youtu.be/RjDl20PL0VE Karmacharger 10:39 , 12/1/2012 (PDT)

• While wery minor, you got hit at 01:45.
• You didnt show that ammo canteen refills sentry ammo (if it does)

TheGuy299 06:24, 2 December 2012 (PST)

umm wind are you there? Karmacharger 11:22 , 12/10/2012 (PDT)

The sentry ammo one was already mentioned, it doesn't refill ammo, though the clip doesn't show it. It's ok not to show it but it would be better if it did (take the wrangler, waste a bit of sentry ammo, switch back to pistol, then do the clip). Also, at 9:19 the HUD says "Healing: Friendly Scout / 6 heavies". Rest is good~ — Wind 14:44, 11 December 2012 (PST)

at 9:19 i don't understand where the issue is , 6 heavies? you can see the samething in-game. at 8:01 it does the samething too. Karmacharger 8:18 , 12/12/2012 (PDT)

wut, I could have sworn it didn't show up in the other clips. Is good then — Wind 12:26, 15 December 2012 (PST)

Why using boxing heavies in the ubercharge clip, would be better with hitscan robots. - InstantMan 12:53, 16 December 2012 (PDT)

Good enough, what matters is that it's clear that the Scout is getting hit, which is the case here since there's a sound for it — Wind 14:41, 16 December 2012 (PST)

doesn't show that the upgrade canteen repairs damage to buildings (but does not refill ammo). also does not show that you do not need to keep the heal beam on a target for shared canteens, i suggest showing sharing a crit canteen to someone, then both of you shoot crits at the same time. also the spy clip started with $220 instead of $400. Isildur4 15:10, 16 December 2012 (PST)

http://youtu.be/c-0Prmi4V6M Karmacharger 10:57 , 12/17/2012 (PDT)

All good, please upload~ — Wind 15:00, 22 December 2012 (PST)

http://www.mediafire.com/#s7wvrvl2dufbr Karmacharger 3:06 , 12/24/2012 (PDT)

also can you remove the old power up canteen .dems? i need to upload the new ones. Karmacharger 3:09 , 12/24/2012 (PDT)

There is no need to remove them. You can upload new versions without deleting the old ones — Wind 08:25, 25 December 2012 (PST)

alright then uploaded. Karmacharger 3:32 , 12/28/2012 (PDT)

can i remove the section which is finished? it wouldn't be confuse to find something on the page. Karmacharger 8:56 , 2/23/2013 (PDT)

I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you asking for a talk page archive? — Wind 19:18, 28 February 2013 (PST)

yes Karmacharger 2:05 , 3/1/2013 (PDT)

Pyrovision Goggles

 Domination and revenge in Pyroland.

 This demonstration has been reserved: Karmacharger 12:01 , 12/1/2012 (PDT)

The Pyroland-incuding item demonstrations don't show everything there is about Pyroland, I'm not sure this really needed. But if someone feels like it, why not — Wind 19:16, 8 October 2012 (PDT)

If someone feels like it....well if you want to , I'll take this job for a start. How about it Wind? Irufort 12:15, 9 October 2012 (PDT)

i don't agree that is needed. Karmacharger 4:43 , 10/9/2012 (PDT)

If you feel like it then do it... However Karmacharger didn't record .dem files for this, so if you want to redo it then you have to redo everything :( Which is very long and very tedious to do. But if you do decide to do it, then make sure to record .dem files so that the next person won't have to restart from scratch — Wind 20:58, 10 October 2012 (PDT)

about the .dem it's not going to happen next time , anyway i was the previous demonstrator of this but i don't care feel free to take it. Karmacharger 12:32 , 10/11/2012 (PDT)

i think i should take care it myself , as for the Domination and revenge in Pyroland should i show it as split screen see what's different? and also what did i missed to show on the previous video. feel free to let me know. Karmacharger 7:43 , 10/13/2012 (PDT)

You said "feel free to take it" but now you say "i should take care it myself". Do you want to take this demonstration? — Wind 13:44, 13 October 2012 (PDT)

i'm sorry i just changed my mind. Karmacharger 12:39 , 10/14/2012 (PDT)

i done a example clip here http://youtu.be/vNC_qGtQkAg , hope it's the best way to demonstration it. Karmacharger 12:27 , 10/14/2012 (PDT)

Like the other clips in this demonstration, the split-screen clips shouldn't be played at the same time. They should have a delay so that both sounds can be heard separately, without the voice lines overlapping each other. Also, there's a big video glitch on the left clip at 0:10. Lastly, you should use something other than a Pyro's flamethrower in the first clip. It makes a lot of noise (both audio and on the interface) which overlaps the domination sound. Use something more subtle like a Spy with a revolver or a Pyro with a Fire Axe or something like that. Lastly, it'd be preferrable to reload after the voice line is complete so that the little reload noises don't mix with the voice line — Wind 13:44, 13 October 2012 (PDT)

Sorry for taking a large time , i was too busy with school stuffs But i am still working on it everydays. Karmacharger 10:01 , 10/19/2012 (PDT)

My pc keep getting blue screen again and again while rendering some clips clips , i'm getting afraid of this. Karmacharger 8:56 , 10/21/2012 (PDT)

:( dis is bad. Is it SrcDemo2 causing those blue screens? There is a bug in the dokan driver which can cause such a thing, so it's possible. It's when the following sequence happens:

• Active SrcDemo2
• SrcDemo2 crashes for some reason, or is otherwise killed from the process manager etc
• You open the mountpoint folder using Windows Explorer or the Open dialog of an application, etc.

Then Dokan will try to talk to the application which owns the mountpoint folder, except that application (SrcDemo2) is ded before it had a chance to warn Dokan that it is ded. The Dokan driver doesn't like that, and it crashes.

There are ways around it, such as running "C:\Program Files ... \dokanctl.exe" /u "C:\Program Files ... \tf\srcdemo2" /f (fill in the ... as appropriate) on the command line, or (more simply) to reopen SrcDemo2 before looking at the mountpoint folder in Windows Explorer. This is because SrcDemo2 saves its mounpoint when it's running, and, when it starts, it looks at the mounpoint folder that it used the previous time, and it tries to forcefully unmount it before starting up. — Wind 19:10, 22 October 2012 (PDT)

i think now it's fine... , should i show all weapons on single classes or just the Primary one? (except scout) like the alien swarm , robro 3000 and balloonicorn demonstration. Karmacharger 9:25 , 10/23/2012 (PDT)

Up to you. The other demonstrations have only primary weapons, but the previous version of this demonstration has all weapons. I think it'd be nice to have one video where a viewer could see how any weapon looks in Pyroland, and this would be the ideal video for it. This being said, it is a lot of work to do so I can understand if you don't want to re-do everything. So do it if you want~ — Wind 13:05, 27 October 2012 (PDT)

Alright i will , also the new update they added a small pumpkin icon on each halloween items bp icon that only can equip during event. Pyroland items did the samething too , so should we redo the demonstrations of this reason? Karmacharger 5:00 , 10/28/2012 (PDT)

Nah. You should also hold off rendering the clips if you have the Halloween shading as well, but you can still record .dem files so that you can render them after the event — Wind 18:08, 27 October 2012 (PDT)

The video is finished but however it's get me failed everytime of render for no reason , once it reached to 10% and the vegas pro closed itself ._. does not matter which video format i choosed to render , i need a time to get rid of that so. Karmacharger 11:20 , 1/3/2012 (PDT)

What if you render a different part of the video? Does it crash then? ie does it crash when it's 10% because it's 10%, or does it crash there because there's a broken frame at 10% of the video, or...? That way you can figure out if it's a

• broken rendered video issue
• vegas issue
• broken encoder issue (seems like this is not the case here)
• disk full issue? if vegas doesn't have enough disk space to output the whole movie

— Wind 13:22, 3 January 2013 (PST)

after a short time of render then i got this error

an error occurred while creating the media file "the name of my video". the reason for the error could not be determined.

and i don't think my disk is full (Local Disk C 112 GB free of 149 GB) , (Disk D 138 GB free of 299 GB) , if i render the small part of the video then it's works. i tired to reinstall the xvid codec and the vegas pro nothing works... But the only way to get it works is render as WMV but it's very glitchy which is (The audio the cut in the last 2 seconds of the video) i think you know that , well i'll try to get rid of that. Karmacharger 7:07 , 1/4/2013 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/BsRnvnmhX7c finaly got it working but i know there are 2 graphic glitch , well i don't wanna render 7th time. Karmacharger 6:51 , 1/7/2013 (PDT)

Alright~

• Cool, now there's the resupply locker in the first clip
• Soldier is holding the Shotgun at 2:31 (shouldn't that be rocket launcher?)
• Render glitch in the transition at 4:14 and 4:56, you know about those but yes they need to be fixed >:

Thanks a lot for your patience, especially for this video which is really long. Hopefully now there are .dem files so that it'll be faster next time~ Can you poke me on IRC with teamviewer or VNC or something so that I can try other rendering settings, just to see if it is better — Wind 12:07, 9 January 2013 (PST)

Right arm is blocking it + hard to see the goggle if i choose rocket launcher that's why i choose shotgun but if you still want the rocket launcher i'll record it then. Karmacharger 6:40 , 1/10/2013 (PDT)

Alright then, shotgun is good~ — Wind 18:14, 9 January 2013 (PST)

http://youtu.be/TqOiRbyCdwU Karmacharger 2:00 , 1/10/2013 (PDT)

All good, please upload~ Also, congratulations on being the creator for the two longest demonstrations ever (Power Up Canteen and Pyrovision Goggles) — Wind 18:16, 11 January 2013 (PST)

had to upload as part , well thanks Karmacharger 1:26 , 1/12/2013 (PDT)

The link doesn't work >: — Wind 21:51, 11 January 2013 (PST)

doesn't work? huh.... part 1 , part 2 , part 3 , part 4 hope it work Karmacharger 2:40 , 1/12/2013 (PDT)

Rocket Jumper

 Needs to show that you can survive the kamikaze taunt with this equiped. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by InstantMan (talk) • (contribs)

Nah, not a major detail — Wind 14:28, 16 February 2013 (PST)

Saxxy

 Special considerations: Must use Saxxy music at the beginning, must have the same video quality standard as current version (1080p, 30fps with 50fpf blendrate or higher, graphics settings maxed out, and uploaded in lossless format)
 This demonstration has been reserved: — Armisael (T · C) 05:16, 23 October 2012 (PDT)

Question What is "50fpf blendrate"? Karmacharger 10:30 , 10/7/2012 (PDT)

50 frames per frame. Also, I don't think I will get the time to make this demonstration >: If someone is going to do this, I request that they upload (on mediafire or something) a video file containing Scout clips only, which matches all the conditions above, so that I can check the quality — Wind 16:08, 7 October 2012 (PDT)

I'll take it if you can't. Tell me if I can reserve it, though; I don't want to be in the wrong here. Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah... 20:10, 7 October 2012 (PDT)

Reserved, but I left yours up there too just in case. Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah... 06:02, 8 October 2012 (PDT)

Good luck, this is the one demonstration where I won't accept anything but perfection :3 — Wind 19:16, 8 October 2012 (PDT)

Still working on it. Large project, sorry it's taking a tad longer. Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah... 20:25, 17 October 2012 (PDT)

Remember, I only wanna see the scout part first — Wind 19:51, 18 October 2012 (PDT)

Yeah, I was working on that. It should be done really soon. Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah... 20:28, 18 October 2012 (PDT)

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bw22kQVEqp99b1hvTmNQNzhEcjA 100 fpf, lagarith encoded. 2.1 GB file. — Armisael (T · C) 05:16, 23 October 2012 (PDT)

Needs antialiasing around the 3D model in the backpack view (you can do that by forcing 16x AA in your gfx driver options). You may probably be able to increase the shadow map resolution further; it is showing some jaggedness (somewhat mitigated by the blurring filter over it). Not sure if the current version has it any higher, but check if you can make it higher anyway. Also, on a non-graphics point, make sure to show the equip animation when the clip starts, like the current version does (it might optional in other demos, but it's not in this one :3) — Wind 13:05, 27 October 2012 (PDT)

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bw22kQVEqp99SHJYQm5LbWw2c00 Backpack view (the old scout clip is the end bit). — Armisael (T · C) 14:43, 29 October 2012 (PDT)

Good, but still needs to show the equip animation — Wind 15:07, 29 October 2012 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/S3yNJ3dZjZY Low video quality content check (ie, 290 MB instead of 16-17 GB). — Armisael (T · C) 21:40, 31 October 2012 (PDT)

Unecessarily shaky camera right before taunting with both Pyro and Engineer. Happens a little for some other classes too, but not as much so they're fine (why does that happen though?). Also, please follow the new spy melee demonstration style for the spy part (backstab the Soldier). May be a good idea to not do the second clip, because the lack of knife raising animation makes that clip kind of pointless. (Also lookin the direction of the tauntkilled spy's corpse before ending the video) — Wind 22:56, 31 October 2012 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/Py4TNAHg0rA The shaking is the result of re-centering my mouse in preparation for the pan. My mouse can sense my mousepad a full half-inch in the air. — Armisael (T · C) 16:41, 1 November 2012 (PDT)

I have a binding on one of the buttons on the left side of my mouse that sets sensitivity to 0.0001 when held, and sets it back when released. When I recenter my mouse, I hold that button down while the mouse is moving, and that nullifies the shaking. You should do the same :3

Also, compare the red-ness of the Pyro and the brown-ness of the map around it at 2:09 and at 3:10. I think the Engineer clip is suffring from that color balance thing that keeps happening. May be true for the Dispenser building speed clip

Another nitpick: Please put a fade-to-black at the very end — Wind 14:10, 4 November 2012 (PST)

http://youtu.be/rd-VpeNsbVU Been a while. This a (lossily) compressed version of the final video (which is currently uploading - youtube estimates completion in 50-odd hours). If you see any issues with content, say something. Please. 16 GB is really really really big. — Armisael (T · C) 20:53, 29 November 2012 (PST)

Is that a new hit sound on the Scout? If so, when did that happen and why does it not apply to other classes?

Also, black screen from 1:28 to 1:33 and from 2:00 to 2:09

Crit sparkles not appearing during the Medic clip. Render bug or game bug?

Also, if you're not sure your connection can stay alive for that long, please poke me on IRC for the scp drop site where you could upload it in a resumable fashion. I can upload it from there to youtube in a few minutes because its connection is not download-biased like residential connections are — Wind 22:22, 29 November 2012 (PST)

The hit sound was my mistake - I forgot to turn off dingalings when I FRAPSed that audio.

Vegas apparently decided to add black screen for no discernable reason.

I don't see crit sparkles when I replay the medic demo, so game bug I guess.

My connection's rock solid, it's just slow. The fixed version is uploading now - youtube expects completion at ~6:30 pm EST on sunday. — Armisael (T · C) 13:09, 30 November 2012 (PST)

And my computer crashed this morning. New ETA is 7pm on tuesday. — Armisael (T · C) 10:04, 2 December 2012 (PST)

Any feedback on this? It (should've) been on your server for quite a while now. — Armisael (T · C) 21:26, 8 January 2013 (PST)

As I've said on IRC (I think it was there...) the upload was successful but youtube couldn't convert it. Are you sure it uploaded fine? On the server, it has a size of 17,330,205,696 bytes and a sha1sum of f2c905c239e5cad057a5d211cf48b2710ac7c628. I don't really want to download it to see if it is indeed corrupt, but I did run ffmpeg on the server and I saw this:

Input #0, avi, from 'Saxxy Demonstration.avi':
  Duration: 00:06:50.67, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 337592 kb/s
    Stream #0.0: Video: lagarith, 1920x1080, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 29.97 tbn, 29.97 tbc
    Stream #0.1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 44100 Hz, 2 channels, s16, 1411 kb/s
[lagarith @ 0x18832c0] Unsupported Lagarith frame type: 0x4

I don't think youtube accepts lagarith, does it? Try uploading a video to youtube with the same settings and resolution and everything but much shorter to your youtube account and see if it works. Additionally, it seems to have a frame type that ffmpeg doesn't support (this is a build from mid-2011), so maybe you used some new frame mode Lagarith recently got? As a consequence, I can't convert it to some other format on the server side.

I recommend re-encoding it with x264 in lossless mode, it'll be smaller in size than lagarith, and I know that youtube accepts it fine because I used it all the time for the portal 2 walkthrough thing — Wind 12:07, 9 January 2013 (PST)

That size and sha1 match what I have - I'll see what I can do, but it would appear that you have a version of the file just as valid as mine. FFMpeg didn't work for me either, though. — Armisael (T · C) 22:04, 11 January 2013 (PST)

New file going up - 5,768,348,482 bytes, with a sha1sum of e6a0a2678497d5b406f6d74e3ae040e7c6b68958 — Armisael (T · C) 19:56, 13 January 2013 (PST)

Upload done - same file size, same sha1sum. It's all yours. — Armisael (T · C) 21:46, 14 January 2013 (PST)

Youtube "successfully" converted it but...

Please try x264vfw again, I am sure that this will work at least :3 Poke me on IRC for VNC or teamiewer support or whatever if you need if you can't get it working with Vegas insertversionnumberhere, I wanna try my hand at it before I give up — Wind 21:53, 17 January 2013 (PST)

Sorry about not being on - I've been dealing with stability issues. I have managed to look around about vegas and x264vfw, and apparently x264vfw doesn't work with vegas 10. Since I use the stripped down consumer version of that, x264vfw doesn't work for me, so either I use an render to some other format out of vegas and then transcode, or I don't render to h264 at all. Any suggestions for transcoder, given that ffmpeg doesn't appear to have worked particularly well? — Armisael (T · C) 15:02, 19 January 2013 (PST)

Lagarith copy is up again - same filesize, same sha1sum. — Armisael (T · C) 20:33, 24 January 2013 (PST)

Tomislav

 This demonstration has been reserved: Karmacharger 1:37 , 1/12/2013 (PDT)

 Uses old map

 The weapon clips through the wooden barrier thing on taunt

 Bugged sound when releasing the fire button which got patched

Alright, let's do this. — Wind 18:03, 11 January 2013 (PST)

i'm not really sure the last clip is needed "+10% faster spin up time" i have no idea how to demonstrate that. Karmacharger 7:01 , 1/12/2013 (PDT)\

Spin up both miniguns and make them fire 5 shots? \theguy299\talk\contribs\ 06:10, 12 January 2013 (PST)

Btw i posted the video link idk why it's gone http://youtu.be/GSC8a3Fk4FQ Karmacharger 11:10 , 1/12/2013 (PDT)

On second thought I'm not sure if that was really worth it. The sound bug doesn't really happen in the current demonstration... and the wooden barrier clipping isn't a really big deal >: Sorry Karmacharger (but if the demonstration were to be completed, the second clip would need to show spin-up and spin-down, not just spin-down) — Wind 11:47, 12 January 2013 (PST)

http://youtu.be/coZEcL1Rw7U to be honest the second clip doesn't show anything... Karmacharger 7:09 , 1/14/2013 (PDT)

Like I said, this doesn't really need to be redone >: The current demonstration is fine. I'm sorry for wasting your time :( (But maybe you may want to upload the .dem's anyway so that we can use them later) — Wind 21:53, 17 January 2013 (PST)

Ehhh , That's fine at least it wasn't a 10 minutes long demonstration. Alright then uploaded the .dem files Karmacharger 2:30 , 1/18/2013 (PDT)

is anyone looking for longer version of each demonstration music?

5 minutes version of each songs , it is for these people who needed this. ending sound is another file so don't worry. Karmacharger 09:12 , 5 July 2012 (PDT)

http://www.mediafire.com/?3o4xsap1s51k253. Here is a 10 minute version of it if anyone needs this Ben10508 09:22, 24 August 2012 (PDT)

Are there any other video recorders besides Wegame or Fraps?

Wegames isn't working for me, as it won't record properly, and I can't spend money on Fraps. Any other alternatives? --Enthers. (I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?) 21:33, 17 June 2012 (PDT)

dxtory maybe, but it's not free and haven't tried it. I used to use Taksi years ago (very very long ago), it probably doesn't work with recent games though. Otherwise, this is the Internet, so I'm sure you can find ways around barriers — Wind 22:09, 17 June 2012 (PDT)

But if I use any other video recorder, is that allowed? Do I need to use the full version of fraps? --Enthers. (I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?) 22:35, 17 June 2012 (PDT)

you can find the cracked version of fraps , search on youtube make sure many peoples commented it's work. i'm also using the cracked version. Karmacharger 06:48 , 17 June 2012 (PDT)

The only reason the full version of fraps is required is that it includes a watermark at the top of the video, which is unacceptable. Any screen recorder can be used, as long as no traits are left. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pigophone (talk) • (contribs) 07:23, 18 June 2012

I use Bandicam myself, works well. --Org 22:40, 12 July 2012 (PDT)

You could try Unregistered Hypercam2. That always works fantastically.--Uknownada 20:51, 8 September 2012 (PDT)

Doesn't it put that annoying watermark I see on a lot of youtube videos? — Wind 01:30, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

Mann vs Machine stats

Should something be added, or a separate set of videos be made, to display the different effects that different sappers have on the robots in MvM mode? I'm not sure how it would be done, but it's just a thought. Onyyx 05:18, 27 August 2012 (PDT)

Someone talked about this before~~~~. Hinaomi (talk) - (contributions) 05:32, 27 August 2012 (PDT)

It's an entirely valid point - I should've moved that discussion here when I archived anyways. I've changed the title to a more general topic - should we demonstrate MvM stats for weapons, and if so, how? Part of the normal video? A new series? — Armisael (T | C) 06:21, 27 August 2012 (PDT)

IF we do start a new series with MVM, would we have to show upgrades and stuff? Ben10508 13:15, 27 August 2012 (PDT)

To avoid redoing massive amounts of work, I think it shouldn't be in the regular videos. Perhaps a single video per class about MvM, or per class+slot (Scout primary, Scout secondary, etc.) Anyway, let's not worry about that until the main demos are done — Wind 16:56, 27 August 2012 (PDT)

Issue: srcdemo2 not launching

Has happened to me and a few others who dream to be part of this project. I have both Java 32 and 64-bit installed, a good computer able to play at a stable 30fps without host_framerate on max settings, and noticed some weapons need to be re-filmed. Upon clicking the icon nothing appears, no window, no message, nothing. However, it does show on the processes panel on my computer. I've waited hours many times, but usually results to nothing. Scoot-teh-Destroyer 06:56, 9 January 2013 (PST)

Please run it in debug mode and show the output~ — Wind 12:07, 9 January 2013 (PST)

Need some help with Map Download

I've tried downloading the map and placing it in tf/maps but won't show up- Megamann

Did you uncompress it (ie did you put the .bsp file in there, not the .7z file containing it)? Did you restart the game after doing so? Are you sure you extracted it in the correct steamapps subfolder (the one of the account running TF2)? etc — Wind 13:09, 31 December 2012 (PST)

Mann vs. Machine Music

I was browsing the upgrade station article and I discovered an unused upgrade song. I think we should use this with any Mann vs Machine related demonstrations. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by OrangeJuicePanda (talk) • (contribs) 07:30, 31 December 2012

New To The Wiki, But I would Like To Help Out

Hello. As I said in the headline, I'm pretty new here. I don't know much about the demonstrations (Despite how many I have watched), but I was thinking that maybe I could make a demonstration myself. There are some problems I've encountered, though. 1: I have no method of recording the game. And besides Windows Live Movie Maker, I don't have any methods of editing. I would use Fraps, but I don't have money to spare. 2: I' not sure if I should bother with the demonstration. See, the demonstration I'm thinking about is the Festive Ubersaw. I've seen the demonstration and I know what I should do, plus I was thinking about adding some things: 1: I would have a heavy and medic pair. The enemy medic would deploy his Uber, and then I would taunt-kill the heavy, to show he could be stunned while invulnerable. 2: I would be any class with a enemy Festive-Ubersaw medic, with a friendly spy in the backstab position behind the medic. The medic would taunt-kill me, but right after he would put in his saw (I should be stunned at this point), the medic would be killed, and I would be safe. But the reason I'm asking you guys is this: Should I really make a Festive demonstration? Should I just re-do the Ubersaw demonstration with the things I was thinking about adding? Or should I not do anything, since "The Ubersaw demonstration is fine how it is, and we don't need any demonstrations of Festive weapons"? Lilchris9 19:03, 10 January 2013 (PST)

Festive demos aren't necessary, as they mimic the stock in functionality. Furthermore, you can use Source Recorder to create movie files (freeware). See the project page for more info about that. Sorry, it's just that every festive weapon would be a LOT of re-dos. Darkid (|) 19:19, 10 January 2013 (PST)

Source Recorder is not freeware, but it comes with TF2 so it's as good as that. — Wind 18:03, 11 January 2013 (PST)

As for the festive demo proposal, it wouldn't be necessary like darkid already said, and it also should not differ from the Ubersaw one (same weapon, same stats, almost-same look, so why would they have different demonstrations?). Thus, those additions shouldn't be presented as additions to a festive version of the demonstration, but as additions to the plain Ubersaw demo. And in that light yes, I think they are worth pursuing, especially that second one because it does tend to happen in crowded games. If anything, it shows how much time you stay stunned after the Medic dies. Not sure if the first one makes it worth recreating the demonstration, but if it has to get recreated, might as well include that — Wind 18:03, 11 January 2013 (PST)

Oh, I'll be more than happy to do a few of those myself Lilchris9 15:22, 11 January 2013 (PST)

Demo movie won't record loadout screen

I'm trying to work on a demonstration video (if only for the sake of practice learning how to use the demo system, the weapon's already been reserved so I doubt I'l be finishing first) but among the dozens of problems I've encountered there's one I can't figure out. When I record a demo and display the loadout screen for a few seconds, playing back the demo in tf2 shows the loadout screen coming up and then play resumes like I recorded it, but when I export to TGA+WAV, in the exported files the place where the loadout screen should have been is missing. It's not like it shows the player sitting idle for a few seconds while the screen should've been up, there's just a hole in the recording, you can see a slight jump in the idle animations as the movie skips over the loadout and the actual demonstration begins far more quickly than I recorded it. The audio has that chunk of time missing as well.

So does anyone have any clue what could be causing this, and is there a way to fix it? I recorded the demo in dx8 mode using Chris' maxframes config, but used dx98 and a modified maxquality config for the exporting, if that means anything. It didn't cause any other problems but I'm at a loss as to what else it could be.

And if there isn't a fix, would it be acceptable to edit in a still screenshot of the loadout screen and tooltip at the beginning of the video instead? The idle animation on the screen wouldn't be able to play, obviously, but it's better than no loadout screen at all.

-Mizuumi 17:44, 11 January 2013 (PST)

There is no fix for this. Source Recorder only records the fact that you opened your loadout, it doesn't record what you do in it. You have to use a screen recorder for the loadout part, most people use Fraps for it. Sorry but a static loadout screenshot is not acceptable; that wouldn't look too good and would be inconsistent with all the previously-published demonstrations — Wind 18:03, 11 January 2013 (PST)

Hmm, alright, I'll look into screen-recording software then I suppose. Thanks for the info.

Also, my understanding is that right now neither exporting movies to avi nor h264 work at the moment, is that correct? It just takes up a lot of room to temporarily save that many images so if there IS still a way to compress the files directly during the export and I'm just too dumb/bad at googling to find it, it would be a nice thing to know. -Mizuumi 06:54, 12 January 2013 (PST)

Why yes, I just happen to have created just the thing you describe — Wind 11:47, 12 January 2013 (PST)

Hahaa this is perfect (once I figured out how to get it working), thanks a ton! Definitely gonna use this for demo recording from now on. Aaand I suppose if the person with the Rescue Ranger demonstration reserved doesn't post any updates by the time I get around to the rest of this, you can expect to see some test videos from me in the future. -Mizuumi 07:18, 13 January 2013 (PST)

Trading mechanics?

Would love to do one of these! Just like the photos on the trading page! Would need to add some friends on my alt and change the names to classes, as well as having stock avatars (e.g Engineer, Medic, etc.). The actual trade would just be the Heavy + Medic trading class specific items to each other (Medic has Sandvich, Heavy has Kritzkrieg). If we need a scene demonstrating the quality colors in chat (e.g Vintage, Unusual, etc.), I can change my name + avatar to resemble the Gentle Manne of Leisure. Scoot-teh-Destroyer 07:40, 7 February 2013 (PST)

I think you talk about trading demonstration, right? It's belong to Team Fortress Wiki:Technical Demonstration, not this page. Hinaomi (talk) • (contributions) 08:02, 7 February 2013 (PST)

This has already been done unfortunately — Wind 23:03, 7 February 2013 (PST)

Why were there no updates recently?

According to the project page, there are at least 19 items which either need new or remade videos, of which 6 have already been uploaded to MediaFire. Yet I don't see any progress being made on the YouTube page, since the last video there is the Memory Maker, which was uploaded one and a half months ago.

So I was been wondering: Why haven't any updates being made recently? I mean, the potential is there, because videos ARE being made. They are simply not uploaded to the YouTube channel. - Selbi 03:24, 23 February 2013 (PST)

Because usually it's Armisael who uploads them as he has non-capped bandwidth, and he hasn't been active recently. I asked someone else to do it so they should be published soon — Wind 19:18, 28 February 2013 (PST)

Clean up?

I think we should clean up the page by moving the completed and uploaded demonstration to archive page. I really pain for scroll down and can't find the change. Hinaomi (talk) • (contributions) 02:43, 2 March 2013 (PST)

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