Team Fortress Wiki talk:Weapon Demonstration/Archive 41

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Deadliest Duckling

 Pyroland assists

 This demonstration has been reserved: Karmacharger 3:19 , 6/8/2013 (PDT)

was starting working on this one a little bit but Look outside window well i can't get it right , any tips to fix it? TY Karmacharger 4:51 , 6/8/2013 (PDT)

It seems that valve removed the skybox we were using from the game files. I've hacked together a fix that uses the granary skyboxes instead - download this and and put it in tf/custom. Hopefully we can get the map recompiled soon so this will be unnecessary. — Armisael (T · C) 14:19, 7 June 2013 (PDT)

it worked thanks! Karmacharger 3:19 , 6/8/2013 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/Nr4IjwyEJh8 Karmacharger 5:37 , 6/15/2013 (PDT)

All good, please upload~ — Wind 13:10, 15 June 2013 (PDT)

Ze download link Karmacharger 3:01 , 6/16/2013 (PDT)

Pocket Pyro

 Pyroland assists

 This demonstration has been reserved: Karmacharger 4:40 , 6/14/2013 (PDT)

i Changed item name through the tf_english.txt and it was supposed to changed in-game. After the steampipe update it doesn't work anymore , it still showing the default item names. also tried using .vpk files still doesn't work. is there other way to change item name? Karmacharger 11:13 , 6/14/2013 (PDT)

Why do you need to change the name at all? Also, did you try this? Darkid (|) 08:17, 14 June 2013 (PDT)

Because this demonstration will be same as Teddy Roosebelt‎ video. i'm trying to replace the name "Pocket Pyro" to the Teddy roosebelt. So that i can render the demo. Karmacharger 11:43 , 6/14/2013 (PDT)

Edit the copy of tf_english in tf/resources - that one doesn't work in tf/custom. — Armisael (T · C) 08:59, 14 June 2013 (PDT)

Thats what i done at the first place. the name doesn't change at all Karmacharger 12:03 , 6/15/2013 (PDT)

It's working fine for me - at any rate, you can always overwrite the other item in the schema. — Armisael (T · C) 09:15, 14 June 2013 (PDT)

it finally worked , i just found another resource folder in "Team Fortress 2\tf\download\resource" i guess they are moved the files for some reason. Karmacharger 1:03 , 6/15/2013 (PDT)

Some server you visited altered the tf_english you already have. I'd recommend deleting that. – Smashman _(talk) 05:57, 15 June 2013 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/YLDwtC-y1VY Karmacharger 11:01 , 6/17/2013 (PDT)

so wind am i doing right with that Video? Karmacharger 7:46 , 6/21/2013 (PDT)

Is good, please upload~ — Wind 15:22, 23 June 2013 (PDT)

Download Link Karmacharger 2:23 , 6/24/2013 (PDT)

Conscientious Objector

 No fade between class and didn't show the Bottle voice line after taunt

I think it's a good reason to redo Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 09:33, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

Nah, not important — Wind 20:18, 6 May 2013 (PDT)

This should be in mind for next redo InstantMan (talk) 03:24, 14 June 2013 (PDT)

Cow Mangler 5000

 Reflects shots are no longer full crits

 This demonstration has been reserved: Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 10:01, 14 May 2013 (PDT)

I'd like to reserve this please. Please give me a chance :) TFHK 19:51, 13 May 2013 (PDT)

Sorry but I've had to redo this demonstration over 5 times (due to multiple particle effect changes. Check out the update section of the CM 5000 for proof) and I'm already halfway through it. You can still try, if yours turns out better than mine. --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 10:01, 14 May 2013 (PDT)

Aww... hope you can give me a try. :/ TFHK 10:38, 14 May 2013 (PDT)

Akuago has reservation rights on this demonstration, as noted here. If you would like to make a demonstration, you should consider the red-tape recorder demonstration, which is wide open. — Armisael (T · C) 10:42, 14 May 2013 (PDT)

Looks like I misread the last sentence. But fair enough, guess I'd better dump those files TFHK 11:25, 14 May 2013 (PDT)

This should hopefully do it. Download it here. --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 15:40, 15 May 2013 (PDT)

Is good, thanks~ — Wind 14:10, 23 May 2013 (PDT)

Director's Vision

 This demonstration has been reserved: Karmacharger 2:20 , 6/24/2013 (PDT)

 Demoman has secondary weapon out instead of primary weapon

 Director's Vision's backpack icon has been updated (Since the Uber update of 2011)

 Low quality video, needs higher quality (2 years old) ShinyLuma (talk) 12:50, 23 June 2013 (PDT)

Let's do dis — Wind 15:22, 23 June 2013 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/S1Vg9EcCTmM Karmacharger 4:39 , 6/25/2013 (PDT)

Please orient the camera a little better, so that the face is better aligned through the invisible frame created by the fingers. Some of the camera angles you used cause the fingers to hide the facial expression of the animation, which is half of the fun of the taunt :( This applies to the Scout, Demoman, Heavy, Engineer, Medic, and Sniper clips (the others are fine). Thanks~ — Wind 16:44, 25 June 2013 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/1-Vj_sIt_BQ Karmacharger 3:57 , 6/29/2013 (PDT)

Is better, please upload — Wind 11:36, 30 June 2013 (PDT)

Download Link Karmacharger 6:39 , 7/1/2013 (PDT)

Half-Zatoichi

 Should show that the Honorbound only takes effect if the draw animation is complete InstantMan (talk) 13:17, 11 June 2013 (PDT)

 Disagree Way too specific, and also seems a bit like a glitch. Darkid (|) 13:23, 11 June 2013 (PDT)

Yes, that does seem too specific and not too easy to demonstrate without having it look like it's a glitch — Wind 13:35, 11 June 2013 (PDT)

Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker

 At the speed clip, the screen with 4 heads was hitting the wall before the screen with 5 heads InstantMan 10:01, 9 May 2013 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/8oH2go0O9pI It's an easy enough fix, I suppose. — Armisael (T · C) 08:10, 10 May 2013 (PDT)

Is good, please upload~ — Wind 14:10, 23 May 2013 (PDT)

Memory Maker

 Handle is jiggleboned - not shown in video

Not sure if worth doing — Wind 14:10, 23 May 2013 (PDT)

It's just a small part; it's not that noticeable. Plus, it doesn't look horrible (like the unarmed combat). Though this might sound biased since this is my demonstration and I have no proper way of recording jigglebones :> - Uufje 14:21, 23 May 2013 (PDT)

It's pretty obvious - the handle swings all the way around, it's fairly large, and it's the closest part of the model. Besides, we aren't exactly drowning in work at present. — Armisael (T · C) 14:26, 23 May 2013 (PDT)

If it's the Bat Outta Hell/Holy Mackerel etc. I can understand because it's the full model that jiggles, but here it's just a (in my opinion small) part of it. - Uufje 14:31, 23 May 2013 (PDT)

Let's not redo this then — Wind 19:09, 26 May 2013 (PDT)

Pomson 6000

 This demonstration has been reserved: — Armisael (T · C) 20:11, 4 May 2013 (PDT)

 Should show if the Medic is ubered or the spy is cloaked, that the weapon still drains.

 Should show the weapon cannot penetrate, as it being a lazer weapon implies. (All other lazer weapons can do it)--Uknownada 21:10, 26 April 2013 (PDT)

Alright — Wind 19:56, 2 May 2013 (PDT)

I don't think the penetration bit is necessary - the bison is the only laser weapon that does (cow mangler and manmelter don't). — Armisael (T · C) 20:11, 4 May 2013 (PDT)

Alrighty. But the uber/cloak thing is still legit.--Uknownada 13:58, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/PhsE-zSqVj0 — Armisael (T · C) 14:30, 6 May 2013 (PDT)

Uh...why is the Medic's uber like the Kritzkrieg's when it's a normal Medigun?--Uknownada 19:46, 6 May 2013 (PDT)

It is a kritzkrieg, because demonstrating the effects against an ubercharged, invincible, patient didn't seem especially effective at conveying that no drain effect occurs when the uber has engaged. — Armisael (T · C) 19:52, 6 May 2013 (PDT)

Would be more effective to show it from the medic's perspective with the uber bar shown. Same for the Spy; for all the viewer knows, the red spy on the right may just have decided to uncloak sooner — Wind 20:18, 6 May 2013 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/2ZCFyaBYSEQ — Armisael (T · C) 13:54, 8 May 2013 (PDT)

Is good, please upload~ — Wind 14:10, 23 May 2013 (PDT)

Schadenfreude

 Once again, the Demoman's secondary and primary weapon loadout slots are switched

 Mouth laughing animation does not occur in the loadout screens

 Should play the laughing sound in the loadout screens (I'm not sure you allow sounds in weapon demo loadouts though)

 Low quality video, needs higher quality (2 years old)

 This demonstration has been reserved: Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner (talk) 16:57, 2 July 2013 (PDT)

ShinyLuma (talk) 12:50, 23 June 2013 (PDT)

Should definitely not play the laughing sound in the loadout screen, unless the loadout screen does that by itself now. But otherwise yes, lack of facial animations in the loadout screen is disturbing — Wind 11:36, 30 June 2013 (PDT)

Yes, that's what I meant. The taunt plays the laughing sound in the loadout screens automatically. I just wasn't sure if sound is allowed at all in the loadout screens during a weapon demonstration (since this is a taunt, not a weapon). -- ShinyLuma (talk) 15:23, 30 June 2013 (PDT)

is it going to redo then? Karmacharger 11:57 , 7/1/2013 (PDT)

Yes, we'll have to redo (at least for the mouth laughing animations anyway). I'll just leave the demonstration to you =) -- ShinyLuma (talk) 18:51, 1 July 2013 (PDT)

Yeah, plus the backpack screens are low in framerate (something I couldn't fix with my old laptop when I made the original video, but not anymore.) I'll get to it. --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner (talk) 20:27, 1 July 2013 (PDT)

Or I would be, if the skybox for both the demonstration map and the tf_target map weren't screwed up, as shown in the screenshot here. I'll keep trying to fix this problem; it doesn't seem like a TF2 file issue since redownloading the map and deleting all the downloaded custom files from other maps did nothing. --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner (talk) 16:57, 2 July 2013 (PDT)

It seems that valve removed the skybox we were using from the game files. Armisael has hacked together a fix that uses the granary skyboxes instead - download this and and put it in tf/custom. Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 17:15, 2 July 2013 (PDT)

This should be the sufficient revision needed. You can download it here. --Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner (talk) 22:46, 3 July 2013 (PDT)

Is good, thanks~ — Wind 10:25, 10 July 2013 (PDT)

Shortstop

 Need to show the bullet spread different

Many people don't know that Shortstop has less bullet spread and Baby Face's Blaster compared it, so why this one don't have? Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 10:54, 6 May 2013 (PDT)

The BFB's a scattergun - the shortstop isn't. — Armisael (T · C) 14:31, 6 May 2013 (PDT)

That and it's written in the BFB's attributes ("40% more accurate") — Wind 20:18, 6 May 2013 (PDT)

Wrangler

 Uses the old map

 Should show sentry jumping with bullets than just rockets

 Level 3 sentry should be demonstrated like this, kill Pyro with just bullets, kill Soldier with just rockets and kill Medic with both

 No end sound

All small deals. Not sure if bullet jumping is really that practical to be worth demonstrating, and the current demonstration does a good job enough at showing that you can control the guns and the rocket launcher separately — Wind 10:25, 10 July 2013 (PDT)

Archive

It's probably too late now, but wouldn't it have been a good idea to have something like "weapon archive" videos, sort of to show how a weapon looked before it got updated? It can be a nice tid-bit of history.--Uknownada 07:32, 6 May 2013 (PDT)

Some old weapon demonstrations are archived, but most of the old versions are simply deleted. I'm not sure there would be a way to show all those videos on the wiki anyway, nor if it's worth it. I think the update history section covers that well enough — Wind 20:18, 6 May 2013 (PDT)

Maybe you won't need to show it on the Wiki, but showing it on another channel as sort of an "extra". The update history section covers it well, but some people might have trouble imagining the Shortstop's quicker reload, or the Tomislav's quick fire thingy. You don't need it on the main channel. Or you could have them unlisted and "click here for previous versions" or something. Just a thought.--Uknownada 15:40, 7 May 2013 (PDT)

HUD vpk fixes

Anyone working with the vpk versions of the HUDs that were posted last week might have noticed that fonts were messed up. This has been fixed. Apologies. — Armisael (T · C) 14:30, 6 May 2013 (PDT)

Text

Why is there no text at all in the demonstration videos? Closed captions or something. Sometimes it takes a while for me to realize what you're trying to tell me. For example, in the new Vaccinator demonstration, it took a good 30 seconds for me to realize that you were trying to show at 6:28 that the Übercharge rate stays the same no matter what. A little text that says just that would've been helpful.

Especially when I look at the Buff Banner discussion I'm a little speechless. Why, Wind, just why is it wrong to have text? It doesn't even have to be in the video, it could be a YouTube annotation or something, but not having text at all? - Selbi 03:51, 7 May 2013 (PDT)

Not everyone who uses the wiki speaks English, and it's a tremendous amount of effort to maintain text in every language supported by the wiki. — Armisael (T · C) 07:50, 7 May 2013 (PDT)

That is a questionable argument, considering how the videos use both English text and English voice. If you really wanted to have the Wiki as localized as possible, you'd need to shoot every demonstration video multiple times. Thus I don't see the problem of having a few texts. I don't even mean them as demonstration leaders (arrows pointing somewhere and some text saying "look here!"), I mean as simple supporters of the what the respective scene is supposed to show. Completely optional addition. As I've said, this could be something simple as a YouTube annotation. And finally, I'm not saying you need this on every video out there, just those which could be confusing (like I pointed out in my Buff Banner and Vaccinator example). - Selbi 11:33, 7 May 2013 (PDT)

I've raised this before, look in the archives for something titled “subtitles” or something. Someone (I think it was Wind) said that if we use annotations, it won't be catered for non-english speakers, which is why we try to make it as “text-less” as possible. (weapon description being in english is unavoidable) I then suggested using subtitles that can be displayed in different languages, but he said that's not exactly the use of a subtitle will be. TFHK 20:00, 13 May 2013 (PDT)

Wiki do want to localize the content and make every kind of people understand. Isn't that the reason why the videos never have the subtitle? Watching the actions can make people easily understand the items even they are not good at English. If we try to set up the English subtitle, then there will be the need of localized subtitles, and I do not think these words can be created by enough people. About the confusing part in video, I believe it has properly showed every attributes of an item. Maybe reading the related Wiki page (and localized content if you need) when watching video could help? With the info in pages, I personally think the need of subtitles is slim. 05:28, 14 May 2013 (PDT)

Why are the Instructional videos in English?--Uknownada 11:57, 16 May 2013 (PDT)

The videos try to be as language-independent as possible because:

• It makes the videos embeddable on all language pages
• Reshoot demonstrations in every language would be unfeasible, and the amount of duplicated work would also be horrible
• It forces the demonstrations to be done in a clear-just-by-looking-at-it manner, which is a good thing. Sometimes that can't be done, and text is used in those cases

The instructional videos are in english because they really do need to give instructions to the viewer, unlike demonstrations. Thus, instructional videos should not be embedded on other language, pages unless subtitles are available (submissions welcome as .srt subtitle files, although this is not the page to do so) — Wind 14:10, 23 May 2013 (PDT)

Item Demonstration Picture Template?

I've noticed that there isn't a template for the pictures at the start of the video. Wouldn't it useful to upload it to the public? There's no harm in doing so. --Samuel Enthers 13:37, 20 May 2013 (PDT)

Thing is, it's not a template. It's User:RagnarHomsar (with some help from User:Pilk) creating each of those images :P Darkid (|) 08:53, 21 May 2013 (PDT)

The start of the video is the loadout view. I'm guessing you mean the thumbnail on embedded videos, in which case those images are indeed created by RagnarHomsar. I have asked him to upload them — Wind 14:10, 23 May 2013 (PDT)

He does. However, it's not created by a template. Darkid (|) 14:15, 23 May 2013 (PDT)

Why no videos recently

There haven't been any new videos since 1 and a half month ago. InstantMan (talk) 09:54, 24 June 2013 (PDT)

I don't really like publishing a batch of videos that only contains redos. Now there's also 2 cosmetics videos in the queue, but one is missing the thumbnail unfortunately >: — Wind 16:44, 25 June 2013 (PDT)

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