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Chemistry Set

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Old discussion (2020)

Hi, just made a vid demonstration about Chemistry kit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2uEkaw6Jbs&feature=youtu.be What should i do next? ~ Fokus 03.06.2020 16:50 GMT+2

Hi there,

You now have to wait for WindPower to respond. He usually does this every week on Sundays, though he's very busy nowadays.

My advice on your video is: Don't start in the Main Menu, start in the backpack (first page) instead. Make sure your backpack's page is also clear of other stuff, so when you finished using the chemistry set it doesnt go to the third page and you'll have to drag it from there. Show yourself using the Chemistry Set, too, it's part of its functionality. Your video also seems to have a delay between sound and the video.

It also lacks editing.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

> he's very busy nowadays

You give me too much credit. — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for tips. I fixed the video, now it should be much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fgON6QQ6Mk&feature=youtu.be

Fokuskii (talk) 23:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

The same problem applies with the backpack. It should start on the first page (that's empty except for the required items). The section where you hover over the chemistry set is too long, perhaps make it 1 or 2 seconds. The same thing applies to the end, show the strangifier being applied. It also lacks fading (A lot of these things can be fixed with simple editing, but I think the pages thing will have to be done with a new one :\)
GrampaSwood (talk) 13:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

The video should also be 1080p (your first version was 1080p but the second version is 720p). Agreed with all other comments — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I have both an alt and a professor speks chemistry set for this demonstration, I just have yet to find the password to the account...
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 21:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey, was wondering if this was still open? I can do a possible version with a collector chemistry kit but not sure if it matters if it's strangifier or collector's. God'sWrath (talk) 01:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

It's still open, although a collector's kit may be too large as it would require showing all 100 items added.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 11:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, alright so what if I show a strangifier first and add a section for the collector's where I only put 1 in but I put disclaimer stating it's x amount of x items and not 1 item for a collector's kit? So video doesn't drag out. God'sWrath (talk) 03:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Just pick a simpler, cheaper chemistry set like in the first video · Ashe (talk) 05:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I've reserved this but I've been thinking it over and I'm not sure if it's really necessary. The Strangifier demonstration shows the exact same process of completing a chemistry set to acquire a strangifier and then applying it to the item. Both demonstrations would bassically be the same. Do we really need two demonstrations showing the exact same thing? Or what should this demonstration do to be different from the Strangifier demonstration? Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 22:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Upgrade to Premium Gift

 This demonstration has been reserved: Rocket bacon (talk) 00:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Demonstration link

  Status: Review needed

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I'm not quite sure if this one is necessary Karmacharger 9:12 PM 8/24/2014 (PDT)

Nah, probably not unless someone just happens to run upon that item — Wind 19:59, 27 October 2014 (PDT)

Question: Do I need to show I, person giving the premium gift, receive the professor speks?
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that's part of the item's effects. — Wind 23:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

I have brought the premium gift to another account, the only issue is that the professor speks is already on my TF2 account, so I would need a third account to receive the speks (while already having premium). It may take a while longer but if anyone else wants to give a crack at it.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 21:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

I think I can do this one, I got two extra accounts just sitting here for years, I want to give it a shot. Rocket bacon (talk) 00:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Question: Must I show the "Use" option even if the account I'll be using to gift it already is premium (a pop-up comes up saying the account already is premium)? Or should I use it on an account with no premium, and then demonstrate the process of gifting it? Sorry if it sounds confusing, I'm just trying to come up with the best way to do this one. Rocket bacon (talk) 19:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the item must be used, and the trading itself must also be shown, as well as showing the gifter receiving the speks.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 20:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Something Special For Someone Special (Tool)

 This demonstration has been reserved: Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 00:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Old discussion (2019)

Hi. I know this item is quite expensive for someone to make a demonstration, but I was thinking, a video showcasing how the item works (which the purchaser's choose they person), and then, on the same video, showing the chosen player's screen perspective, showing the option to accept the proposal, and after that, showing the notification on the Main Menu for the accepted proposal.
Considering the high cost that would be making this demonstration, I wonder if Valve could gives us a hand and supply one for our demonstrations purposes, as long we delete both rings after doing the full video.
It seems that the process is mostly the same as the Gift Wrap, but I have no idea how are the things when someone receives that Gift. We also lack a proper Gift Wrap video, apparently. - ▪ - 19:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Keep dreaming, valve won't even fix server issues much less give us free items. If you are planning to make a demonstration though, better ask windpower for some super detailed instructions to make sure it's right the first time. Naleksuh (talk) 21:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Well, they have the ability to both give and delete items, it could work? Yes. Will it happen? We don't know. If there's anything we can do, is ask for someone who plans on buying one legitimately and asking them for help. Last time that the item got in 50% off, a lot of people bought one, so. - ▪ - 20:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

If you give it some time, I could save up to get it and try to make it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

I offer to give a 50 USD Steam gift card to anyone who has already gotten an item demonstration video approved and uploaded in order to make this demonstration, and then another 50 USD Steam gift card upon video approval. I'm not sure what the price of the item is in other currencies but I'll also match that if possible as long as it's not too much more expensive. Please make sure to record both sides (sender account and receiver account). — Wind 23:00, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Well, I guess we should start discussing how should it be done. Firstly, I think the Gifter should be named "Scout" and the Recipient be "Miss Pauling". Scout has the Scout avatar (184x184 version from Steam), while Miss Pauling can use this. I think the name could be something along what Scout would say, my suggestion, name it as "You are really frickin' sweet". That'd go nice, eh?

Secondly, I don't know who's going to be the Recipient. Should we create a Steam account just for that, or should we rely with another Video Demonstration Creator to do a collab? - ▪ - 23:55, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

well how about we can hit two birds with one store and do the ring and the Upgrade to Premium Gift from the same two account?, First the two account would demostrate the Upgrade to Premium Gift which the sender should buy it from the store and send to the receiver who don't have premium. them Recycle the same account to do the ring. We could make a story out of it as well from friendship when a user gifted the premium to the other use then after few days they both got engaged via the sender would give the ring. It won't end up a awkward situation. but for this situation we need 4 people to do the ring tho 2 sender reciever, 2 regular tf2 player to recieved the message one in the tf2 main menu and the other while in-gameJomarcenter (talk) 14:27, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

That's a cute story, but let's keep the demonstration to just one item (the ring), not the Upgrade to Premium Gift on top of it. — Wind 22:17, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't know what you're talking about, wind. Story time is clearly more important than the actual video. (but in all seriousness the two accounts would be okay to reuse right?) Naleksuh (talk) 04:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, it would just be two separate videos — Wind 23:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

I kind of thought the role playing names were unnnecessary to begin with, and could also cause confusion as to whether or not those texts always appear in game. But if WP or thed feels that's the best way to do it without commercializing it then oh well for me.

The two steam accounts would be kinda hard to sync up (and would also be a waste of $100), i'm willing to be proposed to if no one else will :) Naleksuh (talk) 01:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

No need for roleplaying. It's cool if you want to do it but totally optional. — Wind 06:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

I guess I should give an update on this. I'm still up for doing this one. The plan was to do it with Cheddar but currently a lot of the community wanted to boycott spending money on the game because of the bot situation so Cheddar wanted to delay this until....idk when. Valve just banned the majority of the bots and new bot hosting accounts are getting banned as they're being created so I think now is as good as time as any to do this demo. But I can't do it by myself so I need to talk with Cheddar_ and see if he's still available for it or I need an assistant who's willing to help with it. Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 11:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I get that you don't agree with the decision but the sassy "delayed until Idk I guess" comments are pretty annoying. No one can see in the future as to when stuff like this will cool down. If I say something like "do it in a week" and it's still an issue in a week, you would've been upset too.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 11:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be sassy. I'm not complaining. Sorry if it comes off that way. That's not my intention. It's just been nearly two full months with zero communication about the status of the demonstration. Reservations are technically only valid for two weeks so I simply wanted to make sure that everyone knew that I was still planning to do it. Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 12:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Mannpower powerups

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Demonstrate all powerups.
 Show you can switch to the Grappling Hook under the effects of the Knockout powerup.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Hello, I had a question about preforming/recording this demonstration. Mannpower has a domination mechanic (Not to be confused with dominations), this mechanic works by when a player has many more kills than other players on the enemy team, and so that player gets nerfs on their power ups. I'm guessing I would have to demonstrate this in the video, however I do not know how to activate it. I have not been able to activate this on myself in tr_karma, however even if I did, the player who is dominating does not get the message on their screen showing that they are dominating. The only effects the player who is dominating sees is they are marked for death if they have a power up, and a nerf on that power up for that player. I don't know how I would go about demonstrating the effects of domination mechanic, considering the viewer wouldn't know that being marked for death with a power up means you are dominating. If I were to get the domination mechanic to work, should I just show the class as marked for death, or something else? Andrew360 01:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

This does sound hard to demonstrate. If you enable third-person mode, do you see the skull icon above the player's head in the 3D world (not on the HUD)? If so, here's a structure that might work:

• Spawn enough enemies on the map such that you can reach domination status, and still have enough enemies left over to show that the effect isn't about killing *all* other enemies.
• Start the demonstration in first-person mode.
• Switch to third-person mode.
• Kill enough enemies such that domination status appears.
• Highlight the correlation between the third-person skull icon and the HUD one, for example by zooming in on both at once, or drawing a red box around both or something.

Now you've established that "skull on HUD" = "having killed enough enemies".

Now, demonstrate each powerup one by one. For each powerup, do a split-screen, with the left being non-dominating, and the right being already-in-dominating status. Pick up the powerup on both clips and demonstrate the effect. The skull icon being visible on the clip on the right should be enough of a hint that this is the cause. If not obvious enough, you can draw attention to it at the beginning of the clip, such as by drawing a red box over it or something.

Hope this helps. I suggest doing a test demo with just one or two powerups demonstrated and posting it here first before doing all the work it would take to get this all done for all powerups, as there are a lot. (Perhaps each powerup should have its own video? That's a separate question...)

— Wind 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I might try my hand at this, but only after I finish my other demonstrations and receive feedback and corrections for them. Po1yb1ank (talk) 23:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Action

Spellbook Magazine

 This demonstration has been reserved: Cheddar • Talk 15:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 Demonstrate all Magic spells with the Stock (Normal quality) version equipped.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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 Maybe include this one on the Magic spells page, other spellbook variants are not needed (Fancy and Diary).
Suggestion: Use tf_test_spellindex to always get a specific spell · Ashe (talk) 21:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Maybe show that Blast Jump/Shadow Leap can kill enemies? (Unlikely, but they have their own kill icons). Also, it doesn't show that Minify heals for 100 health or that the medium-sized skeletons will break into smaller ones. Andreng (talk) 07:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I believe the default key for spells is H, so that should probably be reflected in the bottom left. It also uses the non-stock variant, though I know that's because of the map. Other than that, it should show the skeletons can be killed and turned into smaller skeletons. If it's not a ton of hassle, I would wait for the map to be fixed to include the stock variant + bind the key to H.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 20:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Fancy Spellbook

 This demonstration has been reserved: Cheddar • Talk 15:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 Same as above, with the exception that the particle effects that emit on the hand are different.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Fireproof Secret Diary

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Same as above, with the exception that the particle effects that emit on the hand are different.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Kritz or Treat Canteen

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Match outcomes

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one

Status: No demonstration submitted

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So there's a bit of a problem with showing the other angles with this demonstration, as you can't actually rotate the camera. Despite it being in third person, you cannot change the angle of the camera nor use +left or +right to make only the camera move. Any attempt to move the camera either doesn't work or makes the character move along with the camera. My original plan for this demonstration was the following:

• Show a split screen with a player on RED team on one screen and player on BLU team on the other screen
  • The RED player would capture the intelligence on 2Fort, and the other screen would show the BLU player in humiliation after they lose
    • This part would repeat for each class
• It would then cut to tr_karma where I would rotate the camera around the class when they're standing, crouching, running, etc
• After this I would move on to the next class until all of them are done
  

However I can't do this because I can't rotate the camera, does anyone have any ideas on how to rotate or have other ideas of how to demonstration and show the different angles?
Andrew360 22:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

How about just use the RED player to see the BLU humiliation animation. Like:

RED player is the main camera, BLU player is a bot/a smaller pip/split screen in the video

1. BLU player stands beside the intel point
2. RED player captures the intel and win the game
3. BLU player enters humiliation
4. RED player look at the BLU player
5. BLU player moves around to show off the humiliation animation.

I feel like this also shows off the concept of "match outcomes", make the whole story connected via one team wins and see another team loses with humiliation animations. Do we have to use tr_karma map for demonstration? Is this demonstration video about "match outcomes" or "humiliation animations"?--Alex┋T 03:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Simply using thirdperson_mayamode it would be possible to show off these animations from a stationary angle (turning your character rather than camera, although tr_karma/tr_target have no winning objective, so you'd need a different map for it (I suggest Thunder Mountain and standing in first BLU's spawn so it's still somewhat related to the tr_target map, using mp_bonusroundtime to extend the time at the end and just capping the first point).
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:01, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused on what you mean on the capping part, as you say to stay in BLU spawn, but also cap the point to win which would make BLU would win and RED would be in humiliation. Do you mean to make the time run out so RED wins instead?
Andrew360 23:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Either works. Just any way to make the classes go into the humiliation pose. I personally wouldn't mind it that much if RED was in BLU spawn, but it's up to you.
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I went in game to test out thirdperson_mayamode, and it does not work, as for some reason the losing animation isn't considered as in "thirdperson" by the game I think. Does anyone else have any other ideas? Only other way I can think of is using SourceTV, however I don't know how to set that up.
Andrew360 01:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Need to be redone

Crusader's Crossbow

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Ubercharge gain rate is reduced in the same way that the Medi Gun's healing (and therefore, Ubercharge build rate) is - it is based on the last time the target was in combat.
 Does not show that if you try to heal up an enemy Spy, Über is not built.
 Does not show that if you heal an enemy player through a Pyro's reflect, Über is built.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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I removed the clip from the previous demonstration when the medic is building his übercharge with the crossbow, the actual changes make it way too long. Video — Thedop (talk) 14:44, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

The picture-in-picture clip is too large and covers the center of the main video's vision. So when the heavy/spy turns to see the medic, it just doesn't show up on the screen. Please decrease the size of the picture-in-picture — Wind 00:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Second try — Thedop (talk) 06:45, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

The Minigun is still hiding the medic when he's firing... — Wind 00:07, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

*sigh* Thedop's demonstration has been in hiatus for two years. Maybe I can make my own demonstration if Thedop doesn't mind. — Exaskliri _(they/them) (talk | contribs) 06:43, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Demonstration reservations are only valid for 2 weeks. If the reservation tag remains on a video and no action has happened since, you can ignore the reservation and replace it with a reservation of your own. — Wind 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, don't forget to add a demonstration of healing afterburn (probably the most common type of status effect). Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Definitely doable for making an entry about using Crossbow at point blank range to both hit enemies and heal teammates. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Enforcer

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Note: Future redos won't have to do as many status effect clips as the previous video. - Thedop 19:11, 20 October 2018 (UTC+1)

Holiday Punch

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Does not demonstrate that disguised spies do not laugh from Holiday Punch.
 Does not demonstrate interaction between cloaked spies and Holiday Punch crits.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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I kind of felt Holiday Punch could possibly be redone such that it demonstrates its interaction with cloaked and disguised spies. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 08:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Not very practical, but sure, if anyone's up for it — Wind 04:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Not sure if I have to create a new section for the Holiday Punch or add information on an already existing one, but there's several things that probably should also be demonstrated:

 Demonstrate that enemies underwater doesn't laugh on the back / critical hits, which therefore, they don't receive damage (The map used for demonstrations does not have water, though)

 Demonstrate that punching an enemy at the back / doing a critical hit on an enemy that is jumping / is on the air, has no effect, and does no damage

 Demonstrate that it's possible to tickle enemies that are being Ubercharged, possibly include both the patient and the Medic being tickled

• Tickle the patient first, show that it's still in the effects of Uber, and tickle the Medic second, that would probably be more ideal, so it shows that when a Medic is tickled, his target loses the healing / ubercharge
• Perhaps also demonstrate the Quick-Fix ubercharge, since it mentions it blocks "movement-impairing effects", which isn't the case for the Holiday Punch (I'm pretty sure you can still get tickled with the Quick-Fix uber)

 Demonstrate that a Scout with the effects of Bonk! can be tickled

 Demonstrate that a Soldier with the Battalion's Backup active, as well his teammates receiving the Backup effect, can still be tickled

A few other ones that I am unsure about:

 Demonstrate that it's not possible to tickle robots and giant robots on MVM (I don't think we often make MVM-related stuff on these demonstrations, unless it's an unique mechanic like the Projectile Shield)

 Demonstrate that an enemy who is taunting does not get tickled, and that it receives no damage on critical hits - ▪ - 04:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

The tr_karma_rc1 map has water (see Sydney Sleeper demonstration here). I use that map for demonstrations, as it is preferred (according to the Weapon Demonstration page). — Exaskliri _(they/them) (talk | contribs) 09:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

No to the Quick-Fix + Bonk + Battalion's Backup things; as the project page states, non-stock item interactions are usually not demonstrated, in order to avoid having a full explosion of weapon interactions to demonstrate. The Quick Fix one also sounds like a bug, so usually that isn't worth demonstrating either because it has marginal utility and may eventually get patched, which would just create more video work later down the line. But all the other points are good to demonstrate, so +1 that a redo is in order for this one — Wind 04:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

I have an idea on how the new video might be represented:

Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic, Spy)

• Do the same actions as was done in the original video

Part 2: Basic Interactions Do the same actions as was done in the original video, demonstrating Kritzkrieg on Soldier (via friendly Medic) and Jarate on Demoman (via friendly Sniper), plus another for Medic interactions.

Part 2a:

1. Approach friendly Kritzkrieg Medic, who has full charge
2. Get charged with the Kritzkrieg buff
3. Keep punching the enemy Soldier until the buff wears off
4. Punch again while the buff is off, and keep doing it until the Soldier dies

Part 2b:

1. Approach friendly Sniper holding Jarate
2. Let the Sniper throw Jarate at the enemy Demoman
3. Attack the Demoman normally while he is Jarated
4. Attack the Demoman from behind while he is Jarated
5. Kill the Demoman normally again while he is Jarated

Part 2c:

1. (This is where the new stuff begins) Approach an enemy Medic who is healing a friendly enemy Scout with his Medi Gun
2. Attack the Scout from the front and behind
3. Enemy Medic activate Medi Gun invulnerability
4. Do the same as Step 2 onto Scout except while Übercharged
5. Do the same as Step 4 except on Medic

Part 3: Versus Mittens Heavy

1. Approach the enemy Mittens Heavy
2. Attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. Watch him laugh.
3. Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. Watch yourself laugh.
4. Mittens Heavy will swap out Holiday Punch for Minigun.
5. Attack the Heavy with your Holiday Punch.
6. Swap your Holiday Punch for the Shotgun
7. Mittens Heavy will swap out Minigun for Holiday Punch
8. Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch.
9. (This is where the new stuff begins) Jump, and while mid-air let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
10. Go behind the Mitten Heavy's back
11. Let the Mittens Heavy jump, and attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.

Part 4: Spy Interactions View from the Heavy's and Spy's points of view, with a smaller video on the top-right (or something like that) for the Spy's point of view.

1. Approach the enemy Spy
2. Let the enemy Spy cloak
3. Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.
4. Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)
5. Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.

Part 5: Taunts and Water

1. Let the enemy Engineer taunt from his Shotgun. It should be the one where he dances around.
2. While the enemy Engineer is taunting, attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
3. Repeat Steps 1 and 2 except attack him from the front.
4. The enemy Engineer runs to the water. Follow him into the water.
5. Attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.

Part 6: Robots

1. Approach an enemy Robot, preferably the Holiday Punch Heavy Robot.
2. Attack him with your Holiday Punch from the front, and then attack him from behind. There should be no laugh.

Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC) Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC) Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 10:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Very detailed, nice. — Wind 22:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

By the way, I also think that it would be helpful to add a section dedicating to observing a duration comparison for all Schadenfreude taunts. I have a feeling that the length of the taunt has an impact on gameplay of the Holiday Punch. So maybe we could do a section where 9 Holiday Punch Heavies simultaneously attack one of each class, which demonstrates the time it would take to get out of the forced animation. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 01:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Might be cool if only for the comedy of it all. — Wind 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

On "Part 4 - Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)", why not make the Spy disguise as the Heavy, and make sure that the Holiday Punch is active? The Spy won't be able to laugh, but I wonder if you (the player), would laugh. In case that happens, then it would be important to also showcase trying to punch the Spy from behind without having him with the Holiday Punch active. - ▪ - 03:19, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Actually, never mind. For some reason I thought you also laughed with who you just punched that is also wearing the mittens (it commonly happens when both Heavies hold their left clicks after being tickled). But, the Spy wearing the Holiday Punch may be the best scenario here, so it shows that the disguise is not lost (although make sure to show also without the mittens active, and, when the mittens is active for Spy, punch him from the back, then punch him from the front). - ▪ - 13:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Original

 This demonstration has been reserved: MudkipOnYT (talk) 18:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 Missing new reload sound

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Old Reservation (5th January 2024)

I'd say this is an incredibly low priority one, may not even be worth redoing.
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

I hope I've done this correctly, I am just beginning to get to work setting up to film my demonstration — MudkipOnYT (talk) 18:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Here is the link to my finished demonstration, I noticed other users who uploaded to Google Drive being told by the Moderators that their videos were in 30FPS. This one is at 60FPS, it just doesn't play at 60FPS in the Google Drive embedded player, it must be downloaded. Awaiting feedback! — MudkipOnYT (talk) 12:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

In the firing angle demonstrations, wait for about 3 seconds before commencing the firing. The rightwards angle demonstration is a bit too quick. Same with the frontal angle demonstration. Also, for the rocket jumping demonstration, don't wiggle around the screen so much during those idle phases; 1:29-1:31 are quite noticeably obvious. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 22:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I notice all of that now, can just go and re-record it at some point, I also interrupted the reload animation at the beginning. - MudkipOnYT (talk) 10:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Power Up Canteen

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Doesn't show Canteen Specialist upgrades like Battery Canteens demo does

Status: No demonstration submitted

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I feel like I can do a demonstration for this one. But my canteen is a crafted version so it has my username on it. Is that acceptable ? Kaezle (talk) 04:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

If you right click on it you should be able to remove that. Naleksuh (talk) 06:22, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

I think the stock version (Normal quality) should be used over the Unique one, considering all players have it. - ▪ - 04:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Self-Aware Beauty Mark

 This demonstration has been reserved: KingK (talk) 04:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 Updated description. (Also handy for putting out a fire)
 Extinguish an ally reduces the cooldown by 20%

Status: No demonstration submitted

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A funny bug but i think i better waiting for Valve to fix it. - Thedop 10:35, 12 October 2018 (UTC+1)

Hey there, I decided I'd help out on this Hopefully around Jan 8-9 would be where I have everything for this demonstration. KingK (talk) 04:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Alright I got it all right here.

Video - KingK (talk) 03:51, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Seems like your graphics settings aren't on the max, the windows on tr_karma also seem to be bugged. For the first clip, your kill sound should be turned off. For the second clip, make sure to switch all the bots back to the Shotgun. For the third clip, the clip is quite laggy and the sound suddenly increases halfway through. Fourth clip looks fine, albeit with some quality issues as mentioned before. For the first Spy clip, make sure to wait until he's fully invisible to throw the Jarate on him. Splitting up the cloaked and disguised Spy clip like this is better imo, rather than having it be one clip like the original. In the clip where you extinguish 3 teammates, it's fine to just use a single Heavy for that rather than 3 teammates. Maybe 3 clips at the same time would also be suitable for this: one to show off no extinguish, one to show off 1 extinguish, and one to show off extinguishing 2 teammates. It would show that 1 ally extinguished and 2 allies extinguished equally reduces the cooldown.

Other than that, remember to stand still between each clip. It seems like this was most notable on the clip with you and the Heavy being extinguished. The minimum acceptable video quality would be 1080p 60fps, perhaps recording only at that resolution rather than 4k will help with running the game a bit smoother, as currently some clips are very laggy even on 1080p.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 11:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Aight will get working on it, Thanks Grampa Swood KingK (talk) 11:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Here's the newly updated video

Video

KingK (talk) 15:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

The video still looks laggy. It was not recorded at 60 fps. Also your antialiasing settings are still low. Use 4x or 8x.

The video still has some problems. General: You wait too much between clips. When using half/third width clips don't disabled the HUD. I know that sometimes the elements look out of place but that can be fixed by editing the hud. First clip: The jar being misplaced is not your fault, but I think I can send a fix here. Second clip: The demoman should hit his 2 pipes instead of trying to kill the medic with rollers. 4th clip: I think you recorded the clips with normal width. Use half-width. 5th clip: The spy clips are now similar to the mad milk video. That's good, however, don't separate the spy clips. Record the clip in one shot. 6th clip: wait a bit before extinguishing yourself and the heavy. 7th clip: again, don't hide the hud. Final clip: It still shows the match hud bar. You can fix this by reloading the hud using hud_reloadscheme. · Ashe (talk) 22:30, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

For a future demonstrator, you will have to use these files that override the allclass animations of the sniper so the self aware appears at it should in the loadout. Use it only for the loadout. It also includes a fix for the mutated milk loadout pose too · Ashe (talk) 18:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Chargin' Targe, Tide Turner, and Splendid Screen

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Should be redone to show that charging with the shields remove debuffs

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Should these be redone to show that they remove debuffs such as Jarate, bleeding, afterburn, etc.? If so, which effects should I specifically show?
GrampaSwood (talk) 08:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

 Yes, the effects that should show are just some of them, not all

• Soaking, Jarate is preferable as it make the screen yellow tint.
• Fire, simple burn from Flamethrower.
• Bleeding, from Southern Hospitality?
• Mark for death, from Fan O'War

I think those are all. Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 12:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that would all be good. — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Quick-Fix

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Old reservation (29 April 2021)

 What I've done in addition to the existing one (the timestamp in the parentheses are the old/new ones):

1. (1:14/1:24) On the first scene demonstrating the Quick-Fix's basic functions, I did the same as the old one, plus damaging myself and the patient Heavy while being Ubered, demonstrating that the Quick-Fix's Uber doesn't reduce incoming damage. I also damaged myself (the Medic) twice instead of once.
2. (2:09/2:39) When demonstrating the Quick-Fix's heal rate in comparison to the stock Medi Gun, while mostly the same, I used a recently-injured Heavy, so that the heal rate (for each medigun) is at the slowest. I used an offscreen pistol Engineer (hence why the starting HP is 14), teleport commands, and r_cleardecals, so it should look neat.
3. (2:17/3:01) I demonstrated the knockback immunity from Quick-Fix's Uber the same way, but now there's health and Ubercharge HUD.
4. (2:56/3:47) I did the "mirror blast jumping" part outdoors, although it might not look neat. I'm sorry.
5. (3:26/4:17) I demonstrated crit healing (after the recipient doesn't take damage for 10-15 seconds) with the Quick-Fix's Uber in addition to the non-Uber Quick-Fix. Yes, the 3x healing rate Uber stacks with the crit heal.
6. (3:53/6:56) I redid the "Uber build rate comparison on different HP threshold" because the old one didn't have the Quick-Fix as the second healing beam, hence it doesn't explain if the second healing beam alone would slow down the Quick-Fix's Uber build rate (the Quick-Fix has 125% maximum overheal, lower than the usual Uber build rate penalty at 142.5% overheal).
7. (4:26/5:06) I demonstrated the Quick-Fix maximum overheal limit and decay rate on Scout vs. Heavy as well as comparing it to the stock Medi Gun's overheal in addition to the "maintain overheal above 125%" that the old video demonstrated. For the last part, I only used one Heavy, as the aforementioned added demonstrations make up for that, and I maintained the overheal above and below 142.5% overheal (Uber build rate comparison) as well as healing the Heavy when the overheal goes down below 125%.
8. (4:46/8:32) For the "healing disguised Spy" part, I have two enemy bots (Heavy and Demoman) so that the Spy doesn't disguise as a Demoman named "Medic". Both bots are injured, so my disguise will be healed, too.

 The new ones (the timestamps refer to the new demonstration):

1. (7:39) Demonstrating stock Medi Gun's Uber vs. Quick-Fix's Uber (the latter doesn't reduce incoming damage, but prevents incoming knockback unlike the former) and the fact that they have same duration (barring the stock's lingering effect). Also has Quick-Fix's Uber without incoming rockets to demonstrate that the duration is the same.
2. (7:58) Ubering multiple teammates at the same time drain faster than Ubering a single teammate alone. Also, only the aforementioned Ubering multiple teammates drains Uber faster; Ubering an injured teammate drains at the same rate as Ubering a healthy teammate (fully overhealed) and not healing someone when Ubered.

I did the "Uber draining when dropped" part, but both mediguns show "Dropped by Exaskliri." Is it allowed? I gave the bot the Quick-Fix via bot_mirror command. https://youtu.be/0ZlwvHZrjdU Exaskliri (talk) 04:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Nothing you can do about that, that's just how it shows. Shouldn't be too noticeable and there's no point in going through the trouble of setting up a server and getting a buddy to join only so it doesn't show. Though the confusion on where the quick-fix actually is should be redone so it doesn't look like you are looking for it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

1. I just did the "mirroring the explosive jump" part, though I don't think it looks neat. Is it OK? https://youtu.be/NQo1iTxQSEA Exaskliri (talk) 03:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
2. Just finished the whole demonstration. I just need to attach the segments. Exaskliri (talk) 15:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
3. Just finished uploading re-uploading the new Quick-Fix demonstration video to YouTube and MediaFire.

1. https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U
2. https://www.mediafire.com/file/kx7kbaik5vwpwyj/Quick-Fix_Weapon_Demonstration_Video.mp4/file

Exaskliri (talk) 08:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't see any problems, except for the the explosive jumps scenes, that looks a bit laggy, and in general the quality, that seems to be more like a rendering issue, though shouldn't be a problem · Ashe (talk) 04:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm fixing the video right now (quieting projector sound, incorrect fade out time, etc.). Gotta reupload soon. Exaskliri (talk) 10:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Just uploaded the fixed version of the Quick-Fix demonstration video. Exaskliri (talk) 13:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

This is spectacular work, thanks a lot! Just two comments, none of which should require a lot of work to fix hopefully:

• Video quality also seems to have the same artifacts as the Winger demonstration. Please increase the bitrate. Unlike the Winger demonstration, I understand that a demonstration this long could take forever and use a lot of bandwidth to upload twice (to YouTube and to MediaFire), so if the video quality is approved for the Winger demonstration is good enough and you've used the same settings for re-rendering this demonstration, feel free to just upload the higher-quality Quick Fix demonstration to MediaFire only, in order to avoid having to upload the huge file twice.
• There is an audio/video glitch at 9:56 - 9:57.

— Wind 05:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

You finally responded! Thank you so much. The video/audio glitch is from the .dem recording, so I had to conduct another play, especially since it involves another player. Exaskliri (talk) 15:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Alright. Can you upload the new version? — Wind 04:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Eyelander, Nessie's Nine Iron, Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker, and Half-Zatoichi

 This demonstration has been reserved: Cheddar • Talk 18:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 Show slower deploy and holster comparision.
Eyelander Nine-Iron, Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker, Half-Zatoichi

  Status: Review needed

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The other swords shows the comparision except for the above ones. ThunderRunner (talk) 08:54, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

I think I am capable of doing demonstrations again. As someone on the wiki that doesn't get credited for shit, I think these might upper my reputation.
---- Talk Contribs Steam 04:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

What edits/contributions have you made that you did not get credited for?
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 05:13, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I dunno, this, this, and especially these.

---- Talk Contribs Steam 15:57, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

On all of these edits you are credited just fine. How did you expect to be credited?
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 16:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikicheivments? I never got another one since November. Mediarch is getting all the fame and glory. I just don't wanna think I'm the odd one out.

---- Talk Contribs Steam 16:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Slimy, you don't need Wikichievements on a wiki. The point of it is to inform, not be popular. Also, Mediarch has been constantly doing this sort of thing, pretty consistently too. Just look at the recent changes. Besides, your contributions don't warrant most of the stuff Medi has, n' you've already got a decent amount of Wikichieves. — payn. Talk Contribs 00:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks good, waiting for the other demos to put it on approved (putting it to "nodemo" for now).
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 20:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Kritzkrieg

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Does not show that Kritz Über does not prevent capping or carrying the Intelligence.
 Does not show health of patients, overheal is not shown properly.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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I think I'll take this one! Greenfox (talk) 20:51, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Please sign your comments using ~~~~.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

sorry! Greenfox (talk) 06:27, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Trading demonstration

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Doesn't show the "Requires Steam Guard verification" window

Status: No demonstration submitted

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We can make the same Medic and Heavy conversation joke.

Alright, it seems that Steam won't allow me to change the Trading window language for some reason, so i'm leaving this to a English-speaker user · Ashe (talk) 04:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't think we should redo this just for this reason; there may be more UI changes to that process in the future, and it seems unnecessary. — Wind 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Ullapool Caber

 This demonstration has been reserved: Cheddar • Talk 11:04, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 Does not demonstrate activation on cloaked enemy Spies
 Does not demonstrate activation on disguised enemy Spies
 Does not demonstrate damage penalty of the grenade stick
Demonstration link

  Status: Demonstration approved

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This video does not need a desperate rework, but it is worth adding some extra stuff here and there. Specifically the cloak and disguise interactions.

Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic)

1. Attack the Pyro with a full caber. Watch the explosion and Demoman saying "Kablooey!" or similar.
2. After landing, kill the Pyro with the now empty caber.
3. Kill the Soldier with consecutive hits of the empty caber.
4. Kill the Medic with consecutive hits of the empty caber.
5. Taunt

Part 2: Blast Radius Tests + Caber Jumping

Do the same as current video's Part 2 except friendly Scout is removed. And some more added too.

1. Approach between an enemy Engineer and an enemy Sniper. [Note: Friendly Scout is moved to the next Act]
2. Look at both of them while standing still.
3. Look down at the ground and then swing the caber.
4. Crouch, look down, and then swing the caber. Watch the explosion affect the enemy players.
5. Look at the enemy players again.
6. Run to the Resupply room, look at the sign, and enter the room.
7. Touch the Resupply cabinet.
8. Repeat Step 4.
9. Run to the Resupply room and immediately go to the Resupply cabinet and out.
10. Approach a high location (in the current video, it is a bunch of crates)
11. Jump and strike the wall of the high location to get to the top of it.

Part 3: Player Interactions

First part is a single enemy Spy.

Part 3a: Cloaked Spy

1. Let the Spy cloak
2. Approach cloaked Spy and attack with the full caber. If the facts are right, an explosion should trigger.
3. Refresh the screen to the next scene...

There are two players on the side, a friendly Scout and an enemy Spy.

Part 3b: Disguised Spy

1. Let the Spy disguise as a friendly Scout.
2. Approach friendly Scout and attack with the full caber. Nothing should happen.
3. Now go to the disguised Spy and repeat Step 3. The difference is that the explosion should trigger.

Part 4: Deployment and Holstering

• Do the same set of actions as the current video, or in any appropriate method.

Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:23, 22 June 2022 (UTC) Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:31, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Good list, but agree that this isn't worth redoing if it's only for those extra interactions. — Wind 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Here is the video, feedback needed!
Cheddar • Talk 11:03, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I consider that the holster penalty clip doesn't show the penalty properly. For this case, you should just use the sticky launcher. Also, the demo doesn't show the dmg penalty the stick has. You should use a demoman to show the dmg as 55*3 = 165, not enough dmg to kill a demo · Ashe (talk) 00:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree with the addition of one more clip of the empty caber versus the bottle. Here’s what I think should occur after the deployment and bolstering scene…

Part 5: Rate and Damage Comparison

Two clips side by side with enemy Pyro. One side is the bottle, the other side is the empty caber.

1. Wait for a few seconds
2. Strike the Pyro off cooldown with both weapons

Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I would turn the Demoman so that the Caber is visible in the Loadout menu, as the current demo does. I'm assuming the first miss when looking at the ground is intentional, to show off it needs crouching. Because of the viewmodel of the Caber, it may be a neat addition (in the Bottle damage comparison clip) to first inspect the caber and show it as broken. I would also like to see an additional clip that shows that hitting someone's legs (while you crouch) will do more damage. Show this off on a side-by-side comparison with a regular hit to the body on a class with 125 HP, as it can make the difference between life and death.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 14:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Very good!
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 20:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Teleporters

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Needs to show the updated metal cost.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Amputator

 This demonstration has been reserved: Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 04:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 Does not show damage against players vs stock

Status: No demonstration submitted

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I recorded most of this but medic's health regen is completely random as far I can tell. I can't get the clips to line up so I can properly demonstrate the increased health regen so I'm removing my reservation for the time being. I might try again some other time to brute force it but it doesn't seem promising Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 18:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Not having them be synced up is fine as long as it's clear that the Amputator goes faster.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 18:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

That's not the issue I'm having. It's the part where you're showing that it only regenerates faster while you are actively holding the amputator itself. The original video has a 3-way splitscreen with the left side being Amputator, the middle having the Amputator equipped but switched to hold the medi gun, and the right holding the stock bonesaw. I can't the medi gun side and bonesaw side to sync up so it looks like one of them is slightly faster than the other. One of the two is always slightly faster or slower which makes it really difficult to properly demonstrate that part. Even the actual health you gain each tick is slightly variable from what I can tell. I had 6 different clips and synched them all up and they all finished at different times and would have different health values despite all other variables being equal. All 6 clips started at the same time but all 6 of them have different HP https://imgur.com/3NVTjSG. My only thought for a fix is I could try to cheat and essentially just crop the health bar from one of the clips and paste it onto the other so that way they are perfectly synced up. It'd have to be a seamless edit though which is pretty hard to do. Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 19:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Direct Hit

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Does not show splash damage size compared to stock. No damage comparison to stock. You can airshot a soldier that rocket jumps.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Pomson 6000

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 October 21, 2016 Patch - Fixed the Pomson 6000 playing the Shotgun reload sound.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Thermal Thruster

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Video doesn't show the increased knockback while using the item

Status: No demonstration submitted

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This video was created when the rule was just "at least 30 fps". Now, the knockback clips are a bit random and doesn't properly show the actual effect. Maybe the demonstrator can show it by placing a pyro aiming upwards and make it airblast them. The clips would be in badwater roof, the left clip without the thermal just falling off from it and the right clip, jumping with the thermal onto the pyro. · Ashe (talk) 17:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Natascha

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Needs to show that when an enemy is being healed by a medi gun or other source (like a dispenser) they're immune to the slowdown.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Surgeon's Squeezebox

 This demonstration has been reserved: GrampaSwood
 Needs to show the full music loop.
Demonstration link

  Status: Review needed

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My only concern is the audio being too quiet. The music fades out before the taunt music starts, as usual, and the music should be a full loop.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 14:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Soda Popper

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Needs to show Hype build on disguised spies.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Widowmaker

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Needs to show that metal is not gained when shooting disguised spies.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Ubersaw

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Needs swing speed penalty compared to stock.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Machina

 This demonstration has been reserved: No one
 Does not show fully charged damage vs stock.

Status: No demonstration submitted

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Team Fortress Classic

Crowbar (Classic)

 Haven't been able to find a proper bot program. Will need another players in order to successfully demonstrate

Questions and Proposals

Note: This section is for questions and proposals that aren't specific to a single weapon. If you think a demo ought to be remade, then make an entry for it in the Need to be Redone section above and it will be dealt with.

Zombie Infection Zombies

 Zombies have different abillities than normal players.

Hello, I am Slimyboi500. I will be doing the demostrations for each zombie in Zombie Infection.

Why, you may ask? Unlike normal gamemodes, the BLU team (or in this case, the zombies), have different abillities than normal:

• Scout: Speed Demon
• Soldier: Pounce
• Pyro: Hellspawn
• Demoman: Blast Charge
• Heavy: The Tank
• Engineer: EMP Grenade
• Medic: Heal
• Sniper: Spit
• Spy: Reveal

They also have different effects, like different amounts of health and speed. The zombies only can use melee attacks however, which makes it harder to kill.

Let me know if it's a good idea or not.

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Slimyboi500 (talk) 17:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

If we're doing this, I think there should be a demonstration made for each gamemode, rather than just Zombie Infection. Although ZI has gotten an introduction video now that shows off the mode pretty well, so I don't believe it is necessary.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 17:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

The introduction is missing a few key details, such as not showing the Soldier or Heavy's abilities. I feel like it would be a good idea. Such as like there should be a demo for VSH.

----Slimyboi500 (talk) 18:12, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't show each ability, but it does overall show the gamemode very well and I think does a sufficient job. Although, again, if we are making demonstrations for this, I think one should be made for each gamemode.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 18:18, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think there should be one for each gamemode.

----Slimyboi500 (talk) 19:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Remember to also indent your signature and to keep your answers above the hidden comment.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 19:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Still, is that a yes on the idea?

----Slimyboi500 (talk) 20:28, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I'm voting no, but other people might be in favour of it. Profiteer was, for example, so I'm waiting for more input.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 20:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I vote yes for the Zombie Infection zombies (as well Saxton Hale on VSH), but not for other gamemodes. I consider these zombies kinda like "new weapons". They all have different abilities, passives, first-person views, etc. I'm not quite sure if there needs to be a demonstration regarding the human part (only if demonstrated humans being infected by zombies upon dying), and perhaps the only thing related to humans would be that zombies drop small healthkits (because it's related to them, the zombies). A showcase of each zombie class, its ability, and some human interactions like being infected by them, and, killing them as humans, would probably be a nifty video package. - ▪ - 22:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm all in for ZI and VSH demos, but a significant issue would be future balance patches to the modes. Each balance patch so far has significantly changed the zombies, and if we had already made the demo, we would have to redo the video for each one of these updates, which would result in multiple uploads of the same video over and over again and a lot of work (and given how we can barely keep up with the current demos in the backlog...). Maybe instead of a gamemode demonstration, we could simply do a "zombie class demonstration" ("Zombie Sniper", etc.) and a "mechanics demonstration" (weapon modifications, gamemode-specific elements). This way, if a zombie is changed, we wouldn't have to redo the entire video. — Tark 22:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I will do the demo as soon as I get enough votes for it

----Slimyboi500 (talk) 18:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Voting yes for the demo, ZI and VSH seems stable...for now at leastProfiteer（奸商）the tryhard (talk) 11:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Flippin' Awesome and Skullcracker in VSH

When Saxton Hale used Flippin' Awesome or Skullcracker, the other mercenary participating the taunt will be taunt killed, is this something worth remaking the taunt demonstration? Or we just keep the current taunt demonstration, but add this feature into the VSH demonstration? --Alex┋T 18:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I think a VSH demonstration would be better, as it may be confusing why Saxton Hale is suddenly there when he's not normally playable.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 19:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, a demonstration regarding VSH, showing all Hale's abilities, and some unique taunt interactions, would be the most ideal (including his default taunt kill). That one would probably be more lengthy, and some things would probably require to be discussed beforehand. Like Mercs being able to wall climb (which is applied to even stock weaponry), should that be shown too? - ▪ - 20:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I think maybe a demonstration for every game mode could be in order, as a sort of semi-tutorial created by us. A VSH one would fit that too.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 08:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Configs for partner taunt demonstrations

I've created some configs for partner taunt demonstrations. It automatically spawns 2 bots, places you in the starting position, and has another small command ("teleport") to input after it to teleport both the bots to the right position. It binds H and J to the bots performing taunts, H = BLU bot does taunt, J = RED bot does taunt. They're all class-specific and automatically kick any other bots there. There's no way (right now) that I know of to update the weaponref.zip, so if anyone needs it I can forward you a zip of the files. Just let me know on my talk page (or if you know of a way to update weaponref).
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 23:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

New tr_karma and requirements

I've been working in the past week in fixing some issues tr_karma has and some new guidelines. The changes to tr_karma are:

• Increased lightmap quality in the interiors
• Fixed a "checkerboard" texture in the gas cylinder, the ceiling fan and the cardboard boxes
• Added chat scripts to enable noclip (!n in the chat), regenerate (!r), spawn an ammo pack (!am) and enable demonstration server settings (!demo) (these commands are available also in the new tr_karma_basic.cfg)
• Fixed the func_buttons in the wood targets only working once, thus displaying the hit particle once
• Removed Tough Break cases and the Gargoyle prop as they didn't fit the ambience
• Removed the mining cart prop in the rails due of a lighting issue
• Repacked the map, reducing the map size from ~91 MB to ~18 MB

The link to the download and new proposed guidelines are here. Check them out and give feedback · Ashe (talk) 16:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Issues with tr_krama and tr_krama_event

When I start a local server and load tr_krama/tr_krama_event, it won't load (probably because it doesn't exsit) lights/shadow making the map super bright, this only happens on 2 krama maps, I tried to download a modified version of tr_krama on workshop and it worked perfectly, pretty sure something is missing in the map file from weaponref.zip.Profiteer the tryhard (talk|contribute) 05:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

It works fine on my end.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 10:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Join the IRC to help you @Profiteer · Ashe (talk) 21:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

@Profiteer do you have HDR enabled? · Ashe (talk) 16:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Question about 2D and 3D player models

A question I've had for a while about weapon demonstrations is, is there a specific reason that 2D player images in the HUD are standard rather than the 3D player model (be it for performance, consistency, or any other reason), also considering that 3D player models are enabled by default? The 3D model could also generally be more useful for certain cosmetics or demonstrations. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 16:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

they're buggy, eat up frame rate on a lot of systems, and aren't really necessary. I don't think they really add anything of value to the videos so my vote would be to keep them disabled. Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 16:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know, there's no real reason that we prefer one over the other. 3D models are enabled by default, but it may have just been something that was done for a while and became the standard.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 16:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Fair point, it would obviously be a massive hassle to redo every demonstration with a 2D player model. Also for some people I suppose keeping them off improves framerate. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 19:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's because when they were added to the game, it caused lag to a lot of people. The recent 64 bits update fixed the 3d character using a lot of cpu and now it shouldn't affect fps (although i guess modern pcs didn't have issue with it anyways) · Ashe (talk) 15:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Mastercomfig question

I am planning to make a demonstration, and the recommended requirements state that Mastercomfig High/Ultra is preferrable. However, I highly doubt my PC is able to run Mastercomfig High/Ultra properly and all the other high graphics settings. Is it acceptable if I use Mastercomfig Medium High and use average graphics settings? May look slightly lower quality than a typical reservation, but I don't think much will be affected. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 21:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Ultra is preferable, but setting your game to all max settings should suffice.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 21:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'll look through some configurations, and if I find one that looks high enough quality without sacrificing my computer's performance I will use it (my PC is not too high spec, to say the least). My demonstration is for the Cleaner's Carbine; once you review it tell me your thoughts. For me this is especially important because I will need to screen record this too. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 21:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Closed Captions/Subtitles

Random thought today for a low priority task: creating subtitle files to explain what is being demonstrated during the videos. Potentially beneficial for new players; for example, and what made me think of this, during the pomson video we're shown a spy POV getting hit by the pomson to demonstrate the cloak drain, which is only noticed if the player is looking at the cloak HUD element, which is pretty easy to miss (imo), especially if you're new and have no idea what's going on and are just looking at the engie firing the shot.

Looking at youtube supported formats I'd reckon TTML is probably the way to go since it supports positioning (important imo) and styling (not very important imo). I've found this open source editor which supports TTML and offers a built in video-from-url import for syncing. - After messing around for a bit, positioning seems very disconnected between the previews in that app and actually uploading the files to youtube, although once the proper settings are found it should be a breeze to copy paste the templates before submitting, might investigate after finals done next week if I can remember.

On the admin side of things, seems like it's about 5 clicks to add a subtitle file. Subtitle editor permissions exist so it doesn't have to only be one person officially implementing these (which is what uploads appears to be if I'm not mistaken). Potentially the actual subtitle file contents could be put into this project's page as subpages e.g. Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000 Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000/es and then create a category to mark them as ready to upload/update. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 19:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Investigation has been made, a combination of the subtitling software aegisub and a corresponding converter app work wonderfully. No positioning nonsense like all the other editors I could find and they offer style + positional templates so everything can be standardized. I've uploaded an example for half of the pomson demo (creating templates and finding the software wore me out too much to finish it rn). 240p bc I have .1kbps upload and can't be arsed waiting to upload HD. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 06:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The issue is actually uploading the subtitles. I've actually uploaded subtitles for all intro videos back when we uploaded the zombie infection one and it was such a pain... I took me days. YouTube has a way to bulk upload them, but it seems limited to business accounts, which we are not and can't apply for.

A request that is very frequent, and something that I've done a few times, is adding timestamps for when something happens in a video (c this video - a commenter asked to add timestamps for each minigun). I think we could do that more often out of courtesy (it actually does help), but not as a requirement for demos. — Tark 17:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

As mentioned, there is a separate permission for subtitles. Seems like you can also upload the subtitles from an API. Potentially this can be combined with the subtitle page idea and have a bot with a subtitle permission yt account to automatically upload them from the wiki. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I personally don't like the idea of describing it with text, as I'm afraid we or the people might get reliant on it, rather than the textless demonstration. Plus, it'll likely become outdated very fast.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 19:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Achievement Demonstrations on the official TF Wiki YouTube channel

Weapon demonstrations are very helpful in letting newer players know how a weapon fires or how an unlock's attributes affect standard gameplay, while keeping older players up-to-date on balance changes. But what if we assisted players of all kinds in learning how to earn TF2's 520 achievements? Introducing Achievement Demonstrations! (Video)

"Why demonstrate achievements?"

TF2 has hundreds of achievements, with many having rather vague descriptions. Thus, actively attempting to earn them may seem daunting to many players. Demonstration videos would provide clarity and encouragement to both newcomers and achievement hunters alike.

"How should achievements be demonstrated?"

Any achievements showcased should be earned in intended ways, utilizing simplest methods. This page should serve as a general guide. Weapon unlocks and cosmetics should be avoided unless essential to earning the achievement. General achievements that are earnable by any class should feature the Scout by default. Demonstrations should be primarily versus bots, though versing another player will be necessary at times.

• Taunt kill and Deathcam-related achievements: Should feature the victim's Deathcam perspective of the player earning the achievement.
• Achievements involving performance of a repetitive task over a lengthy period of time: Should be presented with a fade effect representing a time lapse, with only the start and earning of the achievement needed to be shown.
• Milestone achievements: Could be accomplished with either a brief compilation of the prerequisite achievements being earned, or with a simple showing of only the final achievement popup, along with the associated achievement item being claimed from the notifications menu.
• Achievements requiring Steam friends: These will require alt accounts or coordination amongst contributors.
• Unobtainable achievements (ie certain Replay achievements): Should be presented with a note informing watchers the achievement is currently unable to be earned.
• Joke achievements: A demonstration should not be necessary for these.

"Where should achievements be demonstrated?"

Achievements should generally be showcased on tr_karma_wiki, tr_karma_event_wiki, or a variant edited in Hammer with altered bot spawn locations.

• Arena achievements: arena_karma_wiki.
• Capture the Flag achievements: ctf_karma_wiki.
• Control point achievements: cp_karma_wiki.
• King of the Hill achievements: koth_karma_wiki.
• MvM achievements: mvm_karma_wiki. Can utilize custom waves.
• Payload achievements: pl_karma_wiki.
• Map-specific achievements: The official map associated with the achievement. MvM maps can utilize custom waves.
• Event-related achievements: tr_karma_event_wiki or an edited variant.
• Replay achievements: Should only use replays taken from one of the maps listed above.

$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 19:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

 Con My personal vote on this would be a no. I just don't see the need and it would feel spammy. The majority of achievements are pretty self explanitory. The few that are vague are thouroughly explained in the "Obtaining Achievements" type pages. This would be a massive ammount of work to produce and aprove all of these for what feels like very little to no gain in my opinion. Producing hundreds of videos explaining basic things feels like a huge waste of energy. I could maybe see an argument for making "official guides" for some of the more convoluted achievements but the wiki definitely shouldn't be making hundreds of videos covering basic stuff like "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances". Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 20:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Time and energy are non-factors as I am entirely willing to solo produce these if needed. And even basic achievements have their nuances. Per your example, does "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances" include ones that are being constructed? What about ones that are being sapped? Do destruction assists count? Et cetera. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 20:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I've heard that quite a few times about different projects, this is not something you will finish, trust me. I personally don't believe these add much value, some achievements are very self-explanatory, and the how-to is exactly why we have these pages. It's a neat idea, but there's too much that would go into these (including needing to pretty much reset all your achievements each time). If a project is going to be made, it needs to be accessible for everyone, or at least more than a few people willing to reset all their achievements.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 22:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

It took only a few hours to make/edit the 5 example videos, the rest of the time I spent working on this project was spent planning and mapping (I had to learn how to use Hammer). Realistically, it would only take a few months for me to complete them all, and that's just with one person working on them. As for resetting achievements, Steam Achievement Manager is a facilitative way to modify your Steam achievement progress at will. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 23:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

And to refute the idea that a lot of the achievements are "too basic," this same logic could apply just as much to any other demonstrations: weapons can simply be playtested by anyone booting up the game and firing them a few times, taunts can be freely previewed in the Mann Co. Store, all the cosmetic videos exist simply to show they can earn assists, and so on. Meanwhile, a great deal of achievements are rather specific or obtuse in how to actually earn them and would greatly benefit from a video demonstration. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 23:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘There is no real refuting here, this is people giving their opinion. The issue is that, yeah, it's possible to do this on your own, but if you're going to have to make 520 videos you're going to give up at some point. As for Steam Achievement Manager, that's an outside program that may or may not be considered a cheat by Valve (at the very least, we don't wanna rely on this program to have to reset specific achievements). Weapons can be playtested, unless you don't have them. Taunts can be previewed in the store, except it doesn't show off M1/M2, and doesn't show off a full taunt (intro, loop, exit). Cosmetic demonstrations aren't being made anymore because they're all the same, so we scrapped them.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 23:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

SAM is moreso a debugging tool than a cheat. I'm certain most people use it to earn bugged achievements that wouldn't activate for them for whatever reason. That argument aside, I am more than willing to continue working on this project if given a greenlight, or in the case the greenlight only comes after a certain trust is built, I'd still be working on it until then. I'll provide updates, including more videos, more maps, thumbnails, etc. The only achievements I might need outside help with are the ones which require multiple Steam friends. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 00:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

It's not much of a debugging tool, but there are in-game features to reset achievements, too, which is what we would use instead. The Wiki being official means if we officially require people to use that program, it's a form of endorsement, which is not something we want. Many achievement demonstrations would also simply not be interesting or very hard to demonstrate (winning 142 rounds of a map, collect 1 million MvM credits/killing 1 million robots, destroying 100 enemy stickybombs with the Scottish Resistance). Some would also not be a proper demonstration: Winning a map without losing a control point on Hydro or winning a round of Well within 5 minutes would just consist of either regular gameplay or an empty server where you run on control points. The former is too much for a demonstration, and the latter is not demonstrating anything. Also note, this is the last message I'll leave here (but I will still watch the conversation) as I don't want the convo being stopped by a constant back-and-forth and possibly have people not engage in the conversation because of it.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 00:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I can see the rationale behind wanting to use the more 'official' means of resetting achievements, and I will aim to utilize that from now on. As far as whether or not an achievement is demonstrated "properly," this is entirely subjective, as achievements can be earned in a variety of ways outside the intended/idealistic means; I merely wish to provide an example of the most basic methods which anyone can reliably follow. Whether or not a demonstration is "interesting" is also subjective. I appreciate the earnest provision of your viewpoints and criticisms, and I too shall disengage from this back-and-forth to allow more opinions to be shared. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 00:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I really don't see the issue with using SAM or any other tool to lock/unlock the achievements as needed for the demo... The argument that we'd be endorsing it is quite absurd, this would be behind-the-scenes stuff.

That said, it is unreasonable to make over 500 videos and some achievements would be hard to demonstrate (progress ones, for example). I wouldn't be against making a "walkthrough" for some very specific achievements like the Merasmus TV one, but that wouldn't really fall under this project (it would just be an addition to the strategy page). — Tark 17:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)