Team Fortress Wiki talk:Weapon Demonstration

Needed

Power Up Canteen

 This demonstration has been reserved: Karmacharger 8:43 , 9/12/2012 (PDT)

it's going to take a little longer. Karmacharger 8:44 , 9/12/2012 (PDT)

Need to be redone

Amputator

 New sounds  This demonstration has been reserved: Ben10508 14:46, 5 September 2012 (PDT)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkcso8ytnqo

Download Ben10508 07:08, 8 September 2012 (PDT)

Is there a reason you move off the amputator in the backpack screen? Also, you should show the soldier in the last clip before he starts firing rockets. — Armisael (T · C) 07:14, 8 September 2012 (PDT)

What Armisael said; also, Youtube cut the last bit, which kind of makes the ending awkward. The camera is also still in movement during the last frame; ideally it should be still — Wind 01:30, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

Hopefully this is good enough

Download Ben10508 13:49, 10 September 2012 (PDT)

I noticed mistakes in my previous video. Here is a revision Ben10508 19:36, 12 September 2012 (PDT)

Audio still got cut but it'll do. Thanks, please upload~ — Wind 23:09, 12 September 2012 (PDT)

http://www.mediafire.com/?xwx7wxq61xnj266 Ben10508 12:54, 13 September 2012 (PDT)

Dead Ringer

I've seen some occasions where the Dead Ringer will not feign death at lower HPs (1, 5, etc.) Perhaps this feature should be demonstrated. -- ReadyAimFire 11:58, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

If you died immediately afterwards, that's probably because the damage killed you through the reduction (after all, it only takes 50 damage to kill you if you're at 5). — Armisael (T · C) 12:07, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

Escape Plan

 Kamikaze Taunt kill

 This demonstration has been reserved: Stuntrally 10:18, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

Question: the splitscreen gui isn't working for me, how do I get it to work? Stuntrally 13:54, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

All the splitscreen files do is bring your hud elements in closer to the center of the screen. You still have to record two different shots and edit them together in an external video editor. — Armisael (T · C) 13:56, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

Force-A-Nature

 New backpack stats (gameplay is not changed)

 This demonstration has been reserved: — Armisael (T · C) 04:49, 12 September 2012 (PDT)

Over a week and no video. Karmacharger 7:45 , 9/12/2012 (PDT)

KGB

 Heavy's voice gets distorted at 0:08

On the KGB video at 0:08 when Heavy says "Take That!" his voice gets distorted and high pitched. Seems something might have gone astray during rendering. Link to time here. Balladofwindfishes 19:05, 12 September 2012 (PDT)

That's not a huge problem, plus it wasn't distorted or high pitched, its just that right after he started to say "and this!" he said "hah!" Ben10508 19:13, 12 September 2012 (PDT)

I don't really think that's worth to redo of a small reason. Karmacharger 2:03 , 9/13/2012 (PDT)

It's not a bug, it's the beginning of "und dat" followed by the "Hah!" sound on kill which cuts the previous sound, so that you hear "und Hah!" — Wind 23:09, 12 September 2012 (PDT)

Medi Gun

 This demonstration has been reserved: — Armisael (T · C) 22:08, 9 September 2012 (PDT)
The current weapon demonstration does not display that you cannot ubercharge someone carrying the intelligence. OrangeJuicePanda 15:29, 1 August 2012 (PDT)

True it's needed to show that , so let me try on it. Karmacharger 6:54 , 8/2/2012 (PDT)

Also don't forget to show that you also can't ubercharge yourself if you are carrying it.OrangeJuicePanda 21:18, 2 August 2012 (PDT)

Got it. Karmacharger 12:24 , 8/3/2012 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/dHm0kvVgh8A , at 3:05 i know the ubercharge HUD meter is not same as the current medigun video at 3:23. i tired each hud on the Weapon Demonstration Splitscreen HUDs_0 3 way splitscreen none of them is same as the current medigun video at 3:23. Karmacharger 1:45 , 8/5/2012 (PDT)

Things~

• There is a frame of full black between the backpack view and the first game clip. It makes the screen blink
• Are you using an srcdemo shutter angle of 360 or something? It looks very blurry. Please don't use more than 180 degrees. This applies to the other demonstrations too, except the Alien Swarm Parasite because it would take too long to re-render all of that
• Please use 10-seconds intervals in the 3-way split-screen comparison, like the other medigun demos. This is important, as the heal numbers are very different as you can see by the numbers shown in this video (the same values, at the beginning)
• In the ubercharge clip at 3:30, when the uber is at 50% or so, move in front of the heavy to show that you too are invincible
• In the spy ubercharge clip, before ubering, have the spy change disguise to show if healing continues, then remove the disguise to show that healing stops, then re-disguise, re-heal, uber, then again change the disguise (in the middle of the uber) and break the disguise (still in the middle of the uber)
• The can't-uber-someone-with-the-intel could be demonstrated better:
  • Have two BLU bots (heavy and a sniper or something), and one RED soldier aiming at the desk, with the intel intact on there, uber ready
  • Uber the heavy
  • Make the heavy pick up the intel (while being ubered) to show the uber drop
  • While the uber is still going on, switch between the heavy and the sniper to show that the uber still works on regular bots
  • While the uber is still going on, have the Soldier fire at the heavy to show that the uber does not work on him (do this at the same time as the previous step)

Not easy (you probably need a human to help you insted of bots) but I think it would be clearer that way. Maybe it won't be clear if the uber is too short and not all of this can be demonstrated properly because there is not enough time. If that is the case, then go for something simpler (uber heavy, heavy walks to pick up flag, uber dies).

• If you're going to show ubercharge-intelligence interaction, you should also show cannot-cap-point-with-ubercharge-but-can-defend-it, and cannot-move-cart-with-ubercharge-but-can-block-it

That should do it~ — Wind 16:20, 8 August 2012 (PDT)

You should be able to fix the hud in the 3:23 clip with some very minor tinkering, by the way. — Armisael (T | C) 13:38, 10 August 2012 (PDT)

@Armisael That's what i headace for , i can't find the same hud as the current video (3 way split-screen) i tired both "3-splitscreen Demo - ammo & health" and "3-splitscreen Demo - no ammo & health" okey after in game the ubercharge Meter hud is still isn't same as the current video...i can't do anything about it. Karmacharger 12:38 , 8/11/2012 (PDT)

If you open up tf/scripts/hudlayout, go to the "HudMedicCharge and change the "xpos" value to "664", it should fix that problem. — Armisael (T | C) 03:30, 11 August 2012 (PDT)

Something has changed the ubercharge meter goes to left , or can you just upload the hudlayout.res and send to my talk? that would not be hard...mind to help? Karmacharger 2:27 , 8/12/2012 (PDT)

My bad. It's "r414". This time I actually tested it, even. — Armisael (T | C) 11:39, 11 August 2012 (PDT)

Thanks alot! it's worked. Karmacharger 11:30 , 8/13/2012 (PDT)

i don't think i can do this , because some problem with my network. people can't join my server with hamachi or whatever. Karmacharger 8:35 , 8/16/2012 (PDT)

Make sure to set sv_lan 0 (and do a changelevel after that so that it takes effect) — Wind 19:55, 17 August 2012 (PDT)

i tired it too but still people can't join it. Karmacharger 3:35 , 8/18/2012 (PDT)

Just pointing out, the current version didn't show that the Medic can uber an enemy spy. So that should be done in the redo, shouldn't it?--Uknownada 22:29, 31 August 2012 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/DKQFj9F7r9g Not entirely happy with the overheal decay rate clips, and it doesn't have a cart-pushing clip, but I thought I should get something out. — Armisael (T · C) 13:54, 2 September 2012 (PDT)

The triple split-screen has a wrong delay: 5 seconds between 3rd and 2nd, 10 seconds between 2nd and 1st. Second triple-split-screen is a pretty good idea~

The charge-multiple-people-at-once thing could use a noneven split-screen or perhaps a picture-in-picture to show the drain rate difference.

Use a BLU Spy and a RED Medic in spy clip, not the opposite.

For the intelligence clip, try taking the intel while being ubered first (so don't switch to the saw)

Also needs to show that it can be used to defend control points from being captured, as that is not intuitive since it blocks capturing — Wind 16:34, 3 September 2012 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/MoSOEfekA54 — Armisael (T · C) 20:48, 12 September 2012 (PDT)

Clip at 2:34 has different contrast than the others. Also, poor music mixing during that clip (2:33). Uber is cut at 3:54 (should wait until it completely fades and then still have a few seconds of nothingness before the next clip). The Soldier-picks-up-the-intel clip doesn't show well enough that you can't uber him after the intel is picked up, because he is healed during the last few "blinking" seconds of the uber during which new targets are not ubered as shown by the video itself at 4:02 — Wind 23:09, 12 September 2012 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/fhVC-Ptdpj0 — Armisael (T · C) 09:07, 13 September 2012 (PDT)

Engineer melee makeover

Wrench

 No special considerations

 This demonstration has been reserved: — Armisael (T · C) 05:16, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jkKcUHpGGM — Armisael (T · C) 16:14, 31 August 2012 (PDT)

Looking at that again, the metal counter's screwing up, and TF2 doesn't seem inclined to make that work again, so I'm trading with ragnar (I think). — Armisael (T · C) 21:13, 31 August 2012 (PDT)

Try to get a better camera angle for the last two clips (or copy the existing ones). The current wrenches demos have the Soldier and the Spy clearly visible in the Engineer's field of view most of the time, with little need for movement. This is more important for the sapper spam clip because it's funny to see the spy's expression change as the sappers get destroyed — Wind 16:34, 3 September 2012 (PDT)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXPy48y25s -- Ragnar Homsar 18:30, 3 September 2012 (PDT)

The fades are too long; a 0.5 second transition from one clip to the other is enough. In the building speed comparison clip, the view on the right was moved (oh my, my poor OCD) and the metal counter didn't cooperate (I know it's hard to get it to cooperate, but you did it in the clip that followed, so try to get it to cooperate again). In all clips, cut them a little shorter so that the "+200" at the beginning doesn't show up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0sWihtGUNc Ragnar has stated in IRC that he is no longer working on this demo (and I think the week was up anyways.) — Armisael (T · C) 05:16, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

Bad music mixing (sorry) at 1:09. But yay working metal counters — Wind 21:28, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/o3jCGVGJ7jM — Armisael (T · C) 22:08, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

Is better. Please upload~ — Wind 22:50, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

Is it just me, or is the video gutting out way too early? I ends while in the middle of the clip where the spy is sapping the dispenser, before he demonstrates the fact that sappers can be placed faster than the engineer can remove them then repair his dispenser. Ghostchicken8 16:58, 13 September 2012 (PDT)

Eureka Effect

 No special considerations

 This demonstration has been reserved: Ben10508 17:29, 31 August 2012 (PDT)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbDjTMz8-KQ Ben10508 17:21, 7 September 2012 (PDT)

Couple of things here:

• Please put the building-dispenser-with-wrench clip on the right for consistency with the other wrench videos
• "+200" metal visible at the beginnng of some clips
• Repair clip starts too soon (Soldier fires a rocket before the fade is even over)
• Metal counter is screwy in that clip (it's a pain to get that to render properly in demos)
• In the clip at 1:36, the HUD ammo counter is not blinking. It is stuck in the purple-ish tone
• The metal counter has the same glitch in that clip
• Spy sapper clip starts too soon as well
• Audio at the end is cut off

— Wind 01:30, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

How do I get rid of all that stuff? I tried rendering over and over and it keeps happening Ben10508 17:13, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

You can't get rid of things like the +200 metal. You just have to make sure that during the first few seconds of the demo, you do nothing, so that you can cut them later in the video editor. It is always a good idea to spend a nice 5 or 10 seconds doing nothing at the beginning of the video (and at the end), for the reason just mentioned and also because of things like "the clip starts too soon", because then you can just cut the clip a little less to make it longer, without having to re-record. The HUD "low ammo" blinking thing happens sometimes when you start recording after you run out of ammo. To fix it, start recording, then shoot stuff (away from where you will be looking in the real video) until you are low on ammo, and then do the rest of the demonstration. In post, cut the first part at the beginning during which you are shooting. — Wind 21:28, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

Cosmetics

Balloonicorn

 Reserved by KarmaCharger

http://youtu.be/U6uiARYE5Uw at 0:14 some problem with rendering. but still let me know what else i forget to demonstration? Karmacharger 5:01 , 8/26/2012 (PDT)

Some pretty severe graphic glitches at that time yes. No other problems though~ — Wind 21:30, 25 August 2012 (PDT)

No More Graphic Glitches Karmacharger 4:32 , 8/26/2012 (PDT)

Should also show that is it invisible to non-pyroland players (only need to show this for one class). Also, the Balloonicorn is not visible in third person during the voice comparison clips. Did you reuse the Pyrovision goggles clips or something? Try to get an angle where the Balloonicorn is visible — Wind 12:18, 26 August 2012 (PDT)

As for the voice clips Balloonicorn is visible on thirdperson but when i say "Needed a dispenser here" it's play the original voice sound. i have no idea so i had to add bots and let them speak then it's works. as for the invisible clips , i recorded a example clip http://youtu.be/KxjGCkrO-Ws not sure which is the best way to demonstraton and the example clips they have to without .dem because if i play the demo it's wont display as pyroland well so i have to record with fraps. Karmacharger 7:28 , 8/28/2012 (PDT)

Let me know if the example clip is good. Karmacharger 9:00 , 8/29/2012 (PDT)

For the example clip, you could make it more obvious by having it split-screen (and don't show the loadout screen since you shouldn't show the loadout of secondary players or bots in demonstrations). For the third-person-Balloonicorn voice clips, you can use the audio from the clip when the audio works with the video when Balloonicorn is visible. It's kind of hacky but it should work, just make sure to synchronize the sound with the lips of the player. Pyroland voice clips are a little shorter so it probably won't fit exactly, but it should still be possible to make it look pretty close. Try it for one class to see if that works~ — Wind 16:01, 30 August 2012 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/MYZbgm8QbjI Hope the voice clips is good for ya this time. Karmacharger 10:02 , 9/2/2012 (PDT)

Yes, those are good, but please increase the volume of the voice clips (no need to re-record, just increase their volume in the video editor) so that they don't get drowned in the background music. For the "only visible in Pyroland" clip for the Scout, please make it a little bit longer and do the following:

• Stare at the Scout for 3 or 5 seconds
• Open the loadout window to show that the Balloonicorn is equipped on both
• Stare at it 3 seconds longer
• In the Pyroland clip, put your crosshair directly pointing at Balloonicorn
• In the non-Pyroland clip, do the same movement (except it will point at nothing, but that's okay, because the goal is to show that there is nothing)
• Keep the clip rolling for like 5 more seconds

This should make it more obvious that the Balloonicorn is there but invisible. I think that should do it~ — Wind 16:34, 3 September 2012 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/OrMl9gWVqdE Karmacharger 10:43 , 9/4/2012 (PDT)

The visibility clip has Balloonicorn invisible in both clips (??), and the cursor movement isn't there. Voice clip volume is good now~ — Wind 00:07, 6 September 2012 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/sARMey0rvJI Karmacharger 3:04 , 9/7/2012 (PDT)

Still no cursor movement in the Balloonicorn visibility clip :( Like I said (parts in bold are missing):

• Stare at the Scout for 3 or 5 seconds
• Open the loadout window to show that the Balloonicorn is equipped on both
• Stare at it 3 seconds longer
• In the Pyroland clip, put your crosshair directly pointing at Balloonicorn
• In the non-Pyroland clip, do the same movement (except it will point at nothing, but that's okay, because the goal is to show that there is nothing)
• Keep the clip rolling for like 5 more seconds

— Wind 01:30, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

Hat of Undeniable Wealth And Respect

 Pyroland assists
HOUWAR currently has a note asking for an official video showing the animations on this hat (it writhes around). Could this possibly be folded into this video? I dunno - I'm not real big on cosmetic demonstrations. Thoughts from everyone? — Armisael (T · C) 15:41, 10 September 2012 (PDT)

Yes — Wind 23:09, 12 September 2012 (PDT)

Pocket Purrer

 Pyroland assists

 This demonstration has been reserved: Karmacharger 8:06 , 9/9/2012 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/sMVTqhij1WM Karmacharger 3:37 , 9/12/2012 (PDT)

All good, please upload~ — Wind 23:09, 12 September 2012 (PDT)

http://www.mediafire.com/#9lg9zognoam9h Karmacharger 7:13 , 9/13/2012 (PDT)

RoBro 3000

 This demonstration has been reserved: Karmacharger 6:55 , 9/4/2012 (PDT)

It's going to took a while just because i have to find that for a terrible price Karmacharger 6:57 , 9/4/2012 (PDT)

i don't think i can get the real one but i used item editor everythings replaced to "license to maim" , item name , description , backpack icon , level tag and model. i can change my name to "Karma Charger + RoBro 3000" so that would be fine? i think viewer won't noticed this. Karmacharger 10:54 , 9/4/2012 (PDT)

If it looks exactly the same, there's no problem with that — Wind

http://youtu.be/JBPN6bIb-3k Karmacharger 5:45 , 9/11/2012 (PDT)

The Scout pistol clip ends too quickly; the goal of these videos is to show the kill feed, so it needs to wait a little after the kill so that the viewer can read the kill feed. All the other clips are good~ That's going to be a lot of .dem's to upload, too — Wind 23:09, 12 September 2012 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/nFfL0fbBeIk Karmacharger 3:34 , 9/13/2012 (PDT)

Scrap Pack

 Pyroland assists

 This demonstration has been reserved: Ben10508 02:43, 13 September 2012 (PDT)

Questions and Proposals

Another video need to remove

http://www.youtube.com/user/OfficialTF2Wiki/videos?query=Beggar%27s+Bazooka Karmacharger 2.58 , 9/11/2012 (PDT)

Thanks~ — Wind 23:09, 12 September 2012 (PDT)

tr_target_weaponref_hdr_v2

Guys a little edit of tr_target_weaponref_hdr map.

• Added Lights in the dark room , right side where the soldier standing at.
• Added Resupply Locker
• Resupply Locker is for Red/Blu

Test the map here. after changed item you don't need to die or rejoin anymore just use the Resupply Locker. let me know if it's useful. Karmacharger 10:54 , 31 July 2012 (PDT)

it should replace the old map link because some glitch like Rocket not show when taunt with Buff Banner can fixed with resupply. And Ullapool Caber can use resupply locker to before explode. Hinaomi (talk) - (contributions) 08:15, 31 July 2012 (PDT)

I will see it when I have a computer that has TF2 on it and which can load maps, which isn't going to happen for a while. How exactly did you go about decompiling/recompiling the map? The lighting in tr_target_weaponref_hdr can only be achieved using some pretty arcane command-line switches which I don't know right now because it's on my desktop at home but make sure the lighting looks exactly the same (getpos/setpos at the same position in both versions the map, take two screenshots, and compare them to check if it looks the same) — Wind 17:10, 1 August 2012 (PDT)

Before --- After Karmacharger 1:14 , 8/15/2012 (PDT)

As you can see, the lighting is missing some details; you can't see the shape of the windows on the crates on the left, for example, and the diffuse lighting is different, making things such as the side of the metal airduct at the top of the screenshot here. I'll try recompiling the map from source to see if I can get the compile options used. As for the modified map, I think it would be better if I gave you the source file of the map and you do the modifications there, as to prevent any potential loss of detail when decompiling the map — Wind 14:34, 14 August 2012 (PDT)

The compile options are -StaticPropPolys -textureshadows -StaticPropLighting -full -final with both HDR and LDR enabled; don't forget to rebuild the cubemaps as well. You can use VBCT to make things a bit easier — Wind 14:46, 14 August 2012 (PDT)

umm yes shadows is gone but This is what i got Karmacharger 11:35 , 8/28/2012 (PDT)

That looks like a map issue more than a compiling issue, but... Can you send me the map source file? (Privately, because Valve doesn't want the source for tr_target to be released) — Wind 00:11, 29 August 2012 (PDT)

i don't really get it what's map source file is , i used Bspsource thing to decompile .Bsp to .Vmt. in the bspsource i have to mark that "info_overlay" then in VBCT it won't let me compile the map it said "Catch: in vbsp_finish!" *Red Text* , i have no idea what is that... if i unmark the "info overlay" then it's works... okey it's done im on the map all the overlays they are gone. i'm kinda noob at this it's my first time touch these mapping things. and sorry for bad grammar i hope you can understand what i mean Karmacharger 1:54 , 8/30/2012 (PDT)

so now i finaly know what's going on , okey here's my finished work Before / After , lighting are not looks exactly the SAME , i just followed your words (-StaticPropPolys -textureshadows -StaticPropLighting -full -final) yeah i did , (both HDR and LDR enabled) Yes i did it too. so where did i missed on? Karmacharger 4:36 , 9/1/2012 (PDT)

Could you send me your modified .vmt file? I wanna see if I get anything different when I compile it — Wind 15:49, 31 August 2012 (PDT)

http://www.mediafire.com/?cjqbgmsy1w1l660 Karmacharger 2:20 , 9/1/2012 (PDT)

got the same lights? Karmacharger 10:56 , 9/4/2012 (PDT)

is anyone looking for longer version of each demonstration music?

5 minutes version of each songs , it is for these people who needed this. ending sound is another file so don't worry. Karmacharger 09:12 , 5 July 2012 (PDT)

http://www.mediafire.com/?3o4xsap1s51k253. Here is a 10 minute version of it if anyone needs this Ben10508 09:22, 24 August 2012 (PDT)

Are there any other video recorders besides Wegame or Fraps?

Wegames isn't working for me, as it won't record properly, and I can't spend money on Fraps. Any other alternatives? --Enthers. (I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?) 21:33, 17 June 2012 (PDT)

dxtory maybe, but it's not free and haven't tried it. I used to use Taksi years ago (very very long ago), it probably doesn't work with recent games though. Otherwise, this is the Internet, so I'm sure you can find ways around barriers — Wind 22:09, 17 June 2012 (PDT)

But if I use any other video recorder, is that allowed? Do I need to use the full version of fraps? --Enthers. (I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?) 22:35, 17 June 2012 (PDT)

you can find the cracked version of fraps , search on youtube make sure many peoples commented it's work. i'm also using the cracked version. Karmacharger 06:48 , 17 June 2012 (PDT)

The only reason the full version of fraps is required is that it includes a watermark at the top of the video, which is unacceptable. Any screen recorder can be used, as long as no traits are left. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pigophone (talk) • (contribs) 07:23, 18 June 2012

I use Bandicam myself, works well. --Org 22:40, 12 July 2012 (PDT)

You could try Unregistered Hypercam2. That always works fantastically.--Uknownada 20:51, 8 September 2012 (PDT)

Doesn't it put that annoying watermark I see on a lot of youtube videos? — Wind 01:30, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

Kill-Assist Video Demonstration Request

I have no idea what should be shown, but at the moment there is only this:

, and that is not really a "fluent" Demonstration. So let's talk about that, shall we? TheDoctor 19:09, 26 July 2012 (PDT)

 Support This image is not from official map. We should do at least image or video. 08:40, 27 July 2012 (PDT)

 Support But not as part of the weapon demonstration project. Do your own video and maybe pass it by me if you want a QA check but use th article's talk page or PM me — Wind 17:10, 1 August 2012 (PDT)

Strange Weapons

Just an idea I had, but would it be a good idea to demonstrate how strange weapons accumulate ranks? --Dattix 16:38, 1 August 2012 (PDT)

Again not as part of the weapon demonstration project (although it is closely related). Feel free to use this talk page for that though because I'm not sure where else it'd be put — Wind 17:10, 1 August 2012 (PDT)

This would best be done as, say, the scattergun only. On the strange page. I don't know what you'd do, though. Show arbitrary ranks... show killcams... show the rank up...? Darkid (|) 20:45, 31 August 2012 (PDT)

Mann vs Machine stats

Should something be added, or a separate set of videos be made, to display the different effects that different sappers have on the robots in MvM mode? I'm not sure how it would be done, but it's just a thought. Onyyx 05:18, 27 August 2012 (PDT)

Someone talked about this before~~~~. Hinaomi (talk) - (contributions) 05:32, 27 August 2012 (PDT)

It's an entirely valid point - I should've moved that discussion here when I archived anyways. I've changed the title to a more general topic - should we demonstrate MvM stats for weapons, and if so, how? Part of the normal video? A new series? — Armisael (T | C) 06:21, 27 August 2012 (PDT)

IF we do start a new series with MVM, would we have to show upgrades and stuff? Ben10508 13:15, 27 August 2012 (PDT)

To avoid redoing massive amounts of work, I think it shouldn't be in the regular videos. Perhaps a single video per class about MvM, or per class+slot (Scout primary, Scout secondary, etc.) Anyway, let's not worry about that until the main demos are done — Wind 16:56, 27 August 2012 (PDT)

Melee crit sounds

Often when I make a clip for a melee weapon demonstration, I hear the crit sound . How can I make that not happen? Ben10508 16:29, 3 September 2012 (PDT)

Try this tf_weapon_criticals 0 Karmacharger 4:24 , 9/4/2012 (PDT)

Spy Melee Makeover

Regarding the Spy's melee weapons, there seems to be some inconsistency in the demonstrations. Particularly in the clip showing the backstab range on the Medic, the player may or may not approach the back of the Medic or simply demonstrates "side-stabs". For consistency, I feel that it would be better if the player demonstrates the full 180 range of the backstab and end with the the side-stab rather than randomly approaching the back or entering from the side.

Additionally, since the Flamethrowers demonstrate the ability to detect cloaked or disguised Spies, it might be a good idea to demonstrate that the Spy will automatically raise his knife behind a disguised or cloaked enemy Spy. 03:04, 6 September 2012 (PDT)

 Support Spies detecting other spies is something that I do agree on, and in the current demos, the backstab shot gives the wrong impression. Pigophone 03:29, 6 September 2012 (PDT)

 Support Both good points, but perhaps should have made them in two separate topics — Wind 21:32, 6 September 2012 (PDT)

 Neutral Showing the full backstab angle would force us to show the spy before the tauntkill, and wind usually hisses and spits when I do that. Also, the only knife which doesn't approach from the back is the wanga prick - not exactly a widespread problem. — Armisael (T · C) 21:48, 6 September 2012 (PDT)

You could bind a key to teleport the Spy when needed, just before his spot is in sight~ — Wind 01:30, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

Videos could be made like any other stock melee before showing the full backstab mechanic: kill Pyro, Soldier and Medic with normal slashes, tauntkill the Spy then make a full backstab demonstration on a single enemy in the center of the room.--Kid Of The Century 01:05, 7 September 2012 (PDT)

 Support I agree considering the angle is pretty wide and somewhat confusing: depending on the class model on one side you can almost facestab your victim, on the other you may fail the stab even if is shown part of his back.--Kid Of The Century 01:05, 7 September 2012 (PDT)

 Support on the disguise and cloak spy backstab because bleeding weapons and ignitable weapon show that, so why don't knives?

And  Neutral on show backstab angle because Armisael's reason. Hinaomi (talk) • (contributions) 02:50, 7 September 2012 (PDT)

Power Up Canteen Demonstration

just a suggestion , should we make a demonstration video for the Power Up Canteen ? Karmacharger 12:56 , 9/7/2012 (PDT)

Just a comment, let do it after main demonstration completed. Hinaomi (talk) • (contributions) 06:41, 7 September 2012 (PDT)

This is be a perfect candidate for a demonstration - in the MvM section. — Armisael (T · C) 06:42, 7 September 2012 (PDT)

Yes this should be demonstrated, that's an important demonstration, but not to be done now — Wind 01:30, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

let me do this , i got all the plans (But not now) Karmacharger 5:28 , 9/9/2012 (PDT)

Feel free to experiment — Wind 21:28, 9 September 2012 (PDT)